RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 29, 2012 at 5:26 am
(This post was last modified: August 29, 2012 at 7:18 am by spockrates.)
(August 28, 2012 at 11:24 pm)cato123 Wrote:Hi, Cato. Good to know you're still around! The Latin omni means all. Do you see any difference between having the ability to know all and actually knowing all?(August 28, 2012 at 8:02 pm)spockrates Wrote: It seems you have not read what I've said about the difference between inherent and total omniscience, or you don't care to read it, or you don't understand.
OK, please let me ask you this: According to your understanding of omniscience, would you say there is nothing that is impossible for God to know?
I have read what you said. My problem is that you are endeavoring to redefine words; namely, onmiscience. Omniscience means 'to know everything'. If one knows everything, then the qualifiers 'inherent' and 'total' mean absolutely nothing...nothing.
Quote:You cannot provide one shred of evidence for the existence of your god, yet you want to burden this fictional character with omniscience. Epicurus laid waste to the omni-bullshit over two centuries before your christ was supposed to have walked through an ingnorant portion of the world. What fucking excuse do you have as an adult human being in the 21st century to believe this tripe?
If you wish to believe it, fine. Go wallow in your ignorance, but have the common decency not to defend this idiocy amongst your temporal human peers.
Yes, as Socrates said, "A wise man is not likely to talk nonsense. Let us consider what he has to say." (Theaetetus 152).
So let us carefully consider what Epicurus had to say and not just accept it on blind faith. After all, we won't know there is no evidence against his ideas if we don't question them. According to Epicurus' understanding of omniscience, would you say there is nothing (absolutely nothing) that is impossible for God (if God exists) to know?
(August 29, 2012 at 12:22 am)Rhythm Wrote:Hmmm. I thought the problem lies in whether or not it is possible to limit one's knowledge of the future. But perhaps you missed the question? (It's that delicious looking cherry tomato on top. You should try it. You might find you like it!)(August 28, 2012 at 8:02 pm)spockrates Wrote: It seems you have not read what I've said about the difference between inherent and total omniscience, or you don't care to read it, or you don't understand.
OK, please let me ask you this: According to your understanding of omniscience, would you say there is nothing that is impossible for God to know?
It's more likely I dismissed your post as word salad...isn't it Spock? Omniscience is a very difficult word to misinterpret or misuse...you actually have to put effort into it. Inherent omniscience is total, by definition. Inherent doesn't have the ability to qualify the attribute, only the thing that possesses it. Nevertheless, whether this entity's omniscience is inherent doesn't affect our predestined existence a single bit. The particulars of this omniscience, the manner in which it is engaged in, what this entity chooses to know or not now, even whether or not any entity possesses it...none of this solves the problem.
The problem lies in whether or not it is possible to have knowledge of the future Spock. If not, this god is off the hook for torturing ants, but on the hook for gambling with the same. Essentially one simply needs to decide what kind of asshole they feel comfortable bowing to.
According to your understanding of omniscience, would you say there is nothing that is impossible for God (if God exists) to know?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
--Spock
--Spock