Better reasons to quit Christianity

[spockrates]

What I would like you to explain is, if you're seriously considering atheism, why are you avoiding the central question of God, which is 'does it exist?',

Because he is a fucking idiot.

I resemble that remark!



But as I told Mister, I have asked why God doesn't exist. I was told that if an omniscient God exists, then and he knows all. If he knows all, then I'm not free.

So we've been considering this. After our investigation, I'm now thinking that if God exists, the fact that he is not experienced is good evidence he does not know all. Anyone who says knowing all is what omniscience is must be mistaken, I think.

What do you think, Chuck?

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Hi, Cato. Good to know you're still around! The Latin omni means all. Do you see any difference between having the ability to know all and actually knowing all?

So, according to you god is not omniscient? He just has the ability to know all?

So let us carefully consider what Epicurus had to say and not just accept it on blind faith. After all, we won't know there is no evidence against his ideas if we don't question them.

This is what Epicurus said. Have fun considering.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

According to Epicurus' understanding of omniscience, would you say there is nothing (absolutely nothing) that is impossible for God (if God exists) to know?

You essentially asked Rythm the same thing. Quit being evasive and take a position. Is your god omniscient or not? I don't give a damn about his reported potential, does he know everything or doesn't he. Simple question so quit dancing.

Cato. What do you think now that I've taken a position? If omniscience is total, rather than inherent, then the Christian God is not omniscient in that sense of the word.

So let us do what you suggest and have fun with Epicurus:

SPOCKRATES: Epicurus, please tell me. Is God omniscient?

EPICURUS: There are many gods, child. But if any is omniscient, it would be Zeus, the god of wisdom, among other virtues.

SPOC: So should I worship this god, since he is the omniscient one?

EPIC: If he is omniscient, you would have no other choice than what you choose. Whether you worship him, or not, you would be unable to do otherwise. For he would know your choice before you chose, and no one can unknown what he already knows.

SPOC: So there is nothing that can be known that he does not already know?

EPIC: That's what I said, child. Why ask me to repeat it?

SPOC: Sorry, I guess I cannot believe my ears. Are you saying Zeus is experienced? Is there no experience he does not know?

EPIC: Yes, child. What other conclusion could one possibly have about an omniscient god?

SPOC: He has experienced anything and everything mere mortals have experienced?

EPIC: Of course. Zeus has many times taken on mortal flesh of birds, animals and people of every kind. As a man, he has withheld no pleasure (virtue, or vice) from himself. No intoxication has he not felt. No beautiful woman, or man has he not bedded. No temptation has he resisted. Zeus knows every experience, so he is omniscient. Do you comprehend as much as you little mind is capable, child?

SPOC: Yes, master. I must say that you must be one of the offspring of one of Zeus' divine sexual conquests, for you have the wisdom of a god!

EPIC: You surprise me, child. For that is the first wise thing to come out of your mouth.

SPOC: Thank you, master. But I hope you will suffer to answer just one more question for me.

EPIC: Ask, and I will answer, and you shall be wiser still.

SPOC: Since Zeus is omniscient, and so has had every experience, I wonder this: Has Zeus had the experience I have most? That is, has he experienced what it is to be ignorant and to not know?

EPIC: That is an absurd thought child. You disappoint me.

SPOC: Sorry to disappoint, master. But now I have to wonder how an omniscient god can possibly know all, for he cannot possibly know what it is like to not know!