RE: Religious Tolerance
September 1, 2012 at 1:10 am
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2012 at 2:28 am by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote:I would argue that it's always in your best interests, do you want to live in a place where whether you can speak or not depends on what you are going to say and whether people support that view?
I try to avoid superlative claims; so hard to prove.
I argue it is usually,but not always in my best interest to be tolerant in my behaviour and to obey the law. l ignore laws with which I consider unjust if I think I can get away with it,and/or am willing to accept the consequences.
'Liberty' is a vague and relative term. For Paine,'liberty' did not extend to women or slaves, nor even for non landowning free men,who did NOT have the right to vote..
Quote:Even though you have goals that might be opposed to mine, you're freedom of speech would never be up for negotiation, and my support would never be conditional.
'Freedoms' have little to do with negotiation everything to with power.Virtually impossible not to be forced to compromise severely if you try to negotiate from a position of weakness. Every so-called freedom we possess can be and has been taken away by government at the stroke of a pen or through sheer indifference. The US has a long history of both.(I can give you a short list if you want ,starting with the US' nasty habit of not keeping (any I think) treaties it made with native Americans)
MY support IS conditional, on you not posing a threat to me. Push-comes-to-shove, and I feel sufficiently threatened, I WILL kill you if I can.. I do not put your survival or any number of anonymous others above my own.