RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
September 3, 2012 at 8:15 am
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2012 at 8:28 am by spockrates.)
(September 2, 2012 at 9:48 am)FallentoReason Wrote: So it seems like God is benevolent. He knew we would fall but he did nothing to avoid that even though he's omnipotent.
Good suggestion! What should God have done to keep Adam, Eve, you and I from doing anything immoral?
(September 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm)idunno Wrote:(September 2, 2012 at 8:03 am)spockrates Wrote: Yes, I understand, idunno. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
Do you understand why Theological Fatalism fails, or that my brain was tired?
I think the difficulty I have is seeing how the analogy applies. Watching someone who is about to make a decision in the present is not the same as seeing what someone will do in the future, I'm told.
(September 3, 2012 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: @ Spokerates, that's interesting, but I'm pretty sue it can not apply to God. I see a couple of problems with having the capacity of omniscience and not using it. First we need to go back a little farther than Adam and Eve, we need to go back to Lucifer's fall. When this took place and God did not see it coming, do you believe God would not have used His omniscience to defeat Lucifer, and once used He would know all.
Second why would God decide not to use one of His attributes, if He had to make a decision not to use it would He not have to use it to make that decision. I can not see anyway He couldn't use His omniscience if He had to make a decision not to use it. For man to have complete free will through out his life, God could never use His omniscience and the scriptures show that He does. Prophecy proves this. God would also have to use His omniscience to create a universe.
Good to be back my friend, though I will not be as active as I have been, life just woks out things sometimes, actually it's God who works out things in my life.
Well, I suppose it could be inaccurate for some atheists to say that seeing what decisions we will make in the future will eliminate our freedom to make those decisions freely in the present. It's a concept I don't quite understand, but was willing to accept for the sake of discussion.
Do you think their premise that omniscience and freewill cannot coexist is correct? If so, do you consider yourself a Calvinist?
"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains (no matter how improbable) must be the truth."
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