Op/ED g/God, broken concept

[Brian37]

We, as in you an I, in a discussion. Whether or not some pantheon seems manageable to you has nothing to do with whether or not it is coherent. But if you want to limit yourself to your favorite god that's fine. Do me a favor, list off the things that your concept of a god does for you?

This bit about needing my permission, sorry, but I'm going to have to say that I think you're being more than a little bit disingenuous on this count. No one said you did, firstly. Secondly your contention that religion has always been voluntary is complete and utter bullshit. For just the last two thousand years, the vast majority of the history of christianity alone - it was compulsory. Sure, sure, you could "just pretend"..so long as you pretended well. Of course we're talking belief now, not religion. I likely could have skated by not believing, but I would have to "do christian" nevertheless.

I suppose that depends on what a person fears may be waiting for them Lion. Perhaps even the thought that nothing is waiting is a source of fear. The atheist agenda..lol. Are you trying to avoid this one by means of invoking an agenda? Some atheists believe in the afterlife, and?

You left a couple of words out when claiming a contradiction. I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose..lulz.

And even today despite "no religious test" in the US Constitution's oath of office, neither the left or the right can get elected in most parts of this country to any public office unless they swear to some sect of Christianity. And if most of these idiots would actually read the letters of Thomas Jefferson, he couldn't get elected today having said what he said about the dangers of pulpit politics.

Jefferson, "And what of the morality of the atheist? It is idol to say, as some do, that no such thing exists"

Jefferson, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god, for if there be one, surely he would pay more homage to reason than to that of blindfolded fear".

Only two congressmen Pete Starke and Keith Elleson in recent history have been elected to high office without having to put their hands on a Christian bible. Jefferson would be appalled at religious limus tests and the fact that despite his concepts and Constitution we have collectively ignored the secular intent of the founders for the most part.

No Christian reading this would want to live in Iran where at best, as long as they live in silence, are left alone. But every politician in the east has to swear an oath to Allah to some sect if they want any political power. It astoundsme today that the west still has far to many Christians who cannot see that what they are doing is no less sectarian than the east, and just as dangerous to pluralism that we see lacking in the east.

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Please explain why monotheism is better/more coherent. I see it as a less logical position (which isn't saying much, as any -theism requires the belief in god(s) which IMO is illogical) because if one god could exist, why not many?

Multiple gods is flawed theology because one god could simply undo what another god did. One creates a universe. Then another comes along an uncreates it. What's the first god gonna do? Recreate it? Arm wrestle to settle the dispute over whether or not to have a universe?
God = highest Being. The One who can beat anybody/everybody in an arm wrestling contest.

Anyway, you do realise that your angry desert god Yahweh is just a Zeus kind of figure but with the other gods later retconned by the tribes that invented him?

Thats not true.
a) Zeus was believed to have been born.
b) The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob....etc. predates the Greek Empire and ancient Greek mythology. (And the Persians and the Babylonians and the Assyrians.)

Blah blah blah blah blah. "My invisible friend claim is older than yours".

DON'T CARE. People believed in gods long before even the first written language, so by your logic, the first is right, so you by using your own logic should worship the first cave god a human manufactured.

Before you get to word one of any book of myth, the starting naked assertion is that a disembodied brain with no brain, no location, exists. If you want to believe such ancient desert bullshit, you can. But modern science and medicine and knowledge of evolution kind of fucks up ANY claim of sky daddies. So all you have is a comic book super hero.

And judging the gang manual, your super hero is a selfish prick who only cares about his fame. The earth has been around for billions of years. Our species has been around for millions. Yet you'd have me believe your super hero cares and still sits on his hands like a deadbeat parent?

Maybe it is just you? Maybe you, like the Egyptians who thought the sun was a god, want a hero to save them. That makes much more sense to me than invisible beings being real, by any name in any point in history.

Allah is not special or Jesus or Yahweh, and have as much evidence as volcano gods, or cave gods, or sun gods. "I was first" doesn't make you the first to fall for a delusion.

Try understanding why you reject all other invisible friend claims besides yours, when you do, you'll understand why we reject your pet deity claim as well.