(September 15, 2009 at 12:45 am)Retorth Wrote:(September 15, 2009 at 12:01 am)ecolox Wrote: Religion is about figuring out why we exist, in large part... Science has nothing to say about it, and neither do you so far.
Religion is a comfort zone for individuals who are weak-minded and have nothing else to turn to.
They say "ignorance is bliss" - does that sound about right to you? I find it humorous that you try to insult the bold and brave who take on the challenge of "the big question". Do you expect that anyone will think it is you who is bold and brave, who settles for nothing with stupidity?
Retorth Wrote:You are far from tackling the question. You are sugar-coating it with what you desire to be the truth.
And you are uninvolved, except in trying to stop me. (I thought your types were open to speculation, yet I've seen none.)
Retorth Wrote:Likewise, there isn't any science that says god can exist. You only consider him to be existing based solely on faith which by my standards is weak to the say the least.
All science allows for the existence of God. His existence to me isn't based on faith alone - since that wouldn't make any sense. It's the universe that is indicative of God - to me.
Retorth Wrote:Of course the choice ultimately is yours. The point of this debate is for you to show us, as all other theists have miserably failed to do, how a god can exist. Your sole objective it seems is to attack our views of life which is quite redundant imo.
How can you exist - that's what I'm asking you. But you miserably fail - and then say you're happy with ignorance. Sweet, just let the atheists do all the work for you. I'll have to remember that.
Retorth Wrote:The by-products of bad religion far outweigh any possibly good that religion has accomplished, therefore making any good clearly redundant.
That doesn't make sense. In your example the good wouldn't be redundant, it wouldn't be worth it. You think that you can have good without evil in the absence of religion, but that's where you're _____.
ecolox Wrote:theVOID Wrote:Not only that, but science gives us these things without asking for complete loyalty and worship, doesn't threaten us with suffering if we don't believe, doesn't demand our respect, doesn't watch over us as an intergalactic dictator - It has every advantage and no disadvantage.
I wouldn't go so far as to say all that.
Explain please.
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Eh, brief speculations: It's hard to blame science or religion - easier to blame scientists or religious leaders (e.g. guns don't kill people, people kill people). Science isn't very productive without the complete loyalty/worship of scientists and those who fund their work. Scientists really have to dedicate their lives in order to begin explaining things. Not to say that I agree with pollution, but scientists behind global warming threaten us and demand our respect. Science doesn't seem to have every advantage and no disadvantage. (e.g. sometimes its wrong and incomplete.)