This is what you said.
I highlighted that end part in red, seeing as how you mentioned strawmen. WTF does Heysel have to do with Hillsborough?
OK. To address what you said (and the families of the dead have been hearing this bollocks for 23 years, so any rage is justified when some fuckwit repeats it).
Whether a single Liverpool fan at the match was "misbehaving" has nothing to do with what happened. Even the politest matches have the few idiots who manage to piss off the police and get arrested.
Shouldn't have been there? They all had tickets.
Giving the police a harder job? It was the police who mis-handled the crowd.
A group of supporters (fathers/wives/children) turned up to a football match. Nothing out of the ordinary. They had tickets. When they arrive, the police direct them to where they should go to watch the game. They find that it's a bit crowded, but hey, the police directed them in there, and they know what they're doing, right?
Pretty soon, more people come in behind them and it's getting uncomfortable. They try and make things less uncomfortable by shuffling forwards... even just a little bit. Row upon row upon row of people shuffling "just a little bit" results in the people at the front getting a whole lot of pressure. So much so that 96 of them are crushed to death.
Yeah. Fucking Liverpool fans. Scum of the earth, ain't they?
As for Boris apologising to Liverpool. Do you know why he did? Did he have a moment of regret after thinking the thoughts? No. Did he have a moment of regret as he wrote the words? No. Did he have a moment of regret after the words were sent to The Spectator to be edited? No. Actually, he was the editor-in-chief, so did he have a moment of regret when that issue went to press? No.
His moment of regret came when the leader of the Tory party at the time (whoever that was) ripped him a new one and ordered him to go grovel.
I have no issue with people liking other people. When the person you like is a politician, you can be held to account for what that politician has done, not whether or not he's a likeable old chap. In that, you have repeatedly failed to accept the criticisms of Boris that are very much due to him.
And on that, yes, I'll call you to fucking rights about it.
(September 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Are you seriously telling me, despite what this report says, that no one Liverpool fan at that football match was misbehaving? They were at the very least (due to extreme numbers of supporters which shouldn't have even been there) giving the police a harder job than they had to do. Let's not forget Liverpool fans are the ones who got the entire of English football banned from European competition due to their antics against Juventus fans.
I highlighted that end part in red, seeing as how you mentioned strawmen. WTF does Heysel have to do with Hillsborough?
OK. To address what you said (and the families of the dead have been hearing this bollocks for 23 years, so any rage is justified when some fuckwit repeats it).
Whether a single Liverpool fan at the match was "misbehaving" has nothing to do with what happened. Even the politest matches have the few idiots who manage to piss off the police and get arrested.
Shouldn't have been there? They all had tickets.
Giving the police a harder job? It was the police who mis-handled the crowd.
A group of supporters (fathers/wives/children) turned up to a football match. Nothing out of the ordinary. They had tickets. When they arrive, the police direct them to where they should go to watch the game. They find that it's a bit crowded, but hey, the police directed them in there, and they know what they're doing, right?
Pretty soon, more people come in behind them and it's getting uncomfortable. They try and make things less uncomfortable by shuffling forwards... even just a little bit. Row upon row upon row of people shuffling "just a little bit" results in the people at the front getting a whole lot of pressure. So much so that 96 of them are crushed to death.
Yeah. Fucking Liverpool fans. Scum of the earth, ain't they?
As for Boris apologising to Liverpool. Do you know why he did? Did he have a moment of regret after thinking the thoughts? No. Did he have a moment of regret as he wrote the words? No. Did he have a moment of regret after the words were sent to The Spectator to be edited? No. Actually, he was the editor-in-chief, so did he have a moment of regret when that issue went to press? No.
His moment of regret came when the leader of the Tory party at the time (whoever that was) ripped him a new one and ordered him to go grovel.
I have no issue with people liking other people. When the person you like is a politician, you can be held to account for what that politician has done, not whether or not he's a likeable old chap. In that, you have repeatedly failed to accept the criticisms of Boris that are very much due to him.
And on that, yes, I'll call you to fucking rights about it.