Op/ED g/God, broken concept

[Tobie]

You are a fucking idiot.

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Feel better now?

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As an example:

I hear atheists asserting that the universe is a - no God required - perpetual motion machine.
What proof should I demand from them that this assertion is true?

Within modern science, the universe doesn't require a god to have started. It's called Big Bang theory. As for the perpetual motion machine - I assume you mean the constantly expanding size of the universe (which has swathes of evidence, and last years Nobel Prize for Physics was given to some scientists that showed the universe was expanding at an accelerating rate), which is not perpetual motion, because it is "powered" by something called Vacuum Energy - this problem hasn't actually been solved satisfactorily yet - The Cosmological Constant problem is one of the biggest questions for modern physicists, so much so that whomever solves it is pretty much guaranteed a Nobel Prize.