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Like it or not, God is immoral.
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RE: Like it or not, God is immoral.
(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: We are talking about defining God. God has only ever defined Himself in the bible. Making the bible the only source in which to find an accurate repersentation of God, by God Himself. Hope that clear things up. You seem to be blurring the lines away from what has been orginally stated.

Except god neither defined himself nor wrote the bible. People who wrote the bible defined god in it as they see fit.

(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: You are confusing source material with a commentary. Just because someone has an opinion does not make them a source.

So we should summarily discard your claims about distinction between morality and righteousness then?

(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: are you being obstinate or ignorant? Defination 1:b identifies the Hebrew word: tsĕdaqah/צְדָקָה as an attribute of God.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...6666&t=KJV

And it doesn't indicate that the attribute means anything different that being morally upright. You are the one being obstinate and ignorant.


(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Your either lying or you have not looked.

Nope. You're just wrong.

(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Again show me where i said that righteousness could not mean morality.

The same place you defined morality as "man's flawed attempt at righteousness" thereby indicating that they do not mean the same thing.

(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: 1) justice, righteousness
a) righteousness (in government)
b) righteousness (of God's attribute)
1) of judge, ruler, king
2) of law
3) of Davidic king Messiah
c) righteousness (in a case or cause)
d) righteousness, truthfulness
e) righteousness (as ethically right)
f) righteousness (as vindicated), justification, salvation
1) of God
2) prosperity (of people)
g) righteous acts

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...6666&t=KJV

I search in vain for any distinction between righteousness and morality - but there is none.


(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: In the Orginal Hebrew defination, where is your statement spelled out? I see that Righteousness is God's standard. I see where Righteousness is attributed as a quality or attribute of God, and I can see how something ethically right can be considered Righteous. However I do not see anything in the Hebrew defination provided, that allows you to make the jump, and say everything that is moral is righteous. Moral things CAN be considered righteous,(if they are "ethically right") as defined by scripture, but there is nothing that says that morality and righteousness is the same thing. A good example would be the things in soceity that are considered morally right, but not all things soceity deems morally right, is Righteous or ethically right by God's standard. (like gay marriage) This is a perfect example where man's morality conflicts with God's righteous standard or God's righteousness. This also PROOVES the two terms are Not interchangable.

Every meaning of the word given in the Hebrew definition is synonymous with morality. It even goes as far as to indicate different entities to which the term righteous can be attributed (god, government, man) and does not use a separate term for society and god - as you do - which would indicate that righteousness - which means the same thing as morality - can, like morality, have different standards. Which is why, society's actions can be unrighteous by god's standards and your god's actions are unrighteous by society's standard. This PROOVES that while the terms morality and righteousness are interchangeable, the standards behind them are not.


(September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Drich Wrote: This is A PERFECT Example of the level of self righteousness needed to judge God. Change nothing!

Just as your god is the perfect example of self-righteousness needed to judge humanity. I'm not changing anything.
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Messages In This Thread
Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Greatest I am - September 12, 2012 at 7:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 12, 2012 at 7:12 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by jonb - September 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by MysticKnight - September 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 12, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 13, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 13, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 15, 2012 at 4:06 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 17, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 18, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 15, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Godschild - September 12, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Lion IRC - September 13, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 14, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 13, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by ThomM - September 13, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 13, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2012 at 4:37 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 15, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 16, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Skepsis - September 17, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Tobie - September 17, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 18, 2012 at 3:15 am

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