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[quote]Where is definition 1B is morality mentions? Don't embarrass yourself by trying to muddle the issue. That the bible states that being righteous (morally upright) is an attribute of god was never disputed. What is being disputed is your statement that being righteous and being moral are two different things. [/quote]
Then if you are making the claim that Righteousness and morality are the same then show me. Showm me one place where morality is mentioned in the bible. I have told you where God has identified righteousness apart from His own as personal or self righteousness. Now you show me where your version of morality/righteousness (because you can used them interchangably) is recognized and accepted by God.
[quote]Yeah-uh.
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This is what your arguement is reduced to if you can not support it with the correct data.
[quote]I need you to give me evidence to support the statement that "morality is man's attempt at righteousness", which would lead you to conclude that it is something other than righteousness. Everywhere, in the bible, in the lexicon and in the dictionary, there has been no statement that would lead to that conclusion. Your repeating it doesn't make it so. [/quote]
Here is the simple logic that man's morality and God's Righteousness are two different things.
Morality is subjective and subject to change from culture to culture or even from generation to generation. God's righteousness Does not Change. The fact that morality is subject to change puts morality in a different catagory than unchanging righteousness of God.
Christ tells several parables and condemns those who change God's will/law or abuses His grace to their own gain. I can give you the parables to read indivisually and explain them or you can read this commentary on self righteousness or 'morality created outside of the Express will of God.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVartic...usness.htm
[quote]Show me where morality is referred to as something different than righteousness. [/quote]Again you first show me where the bible even identifies and accepts 'morality.'
[quote]All your statement says is that a man's righteousness (morality) - which he'd correctly refer to as his self-righteousness - is different from god's righteousness (morality)- which god would refer to his self-righteousness. Our morality may be unacceptable to your god's righteousness (morality) and his morality is unacceptable to us. [/quote]
My statement says that their is a difference between morality and God's Righteousness. To tie that back into the OP "God is immoral" completes what it is I have to say. In that it does not matter how 'moral' man chooses to judge that actions of God. Because his standard is corrupt.
[quote]No, you haven't shown that because you have shown no instance where morality was used distinctly and irreconcilably for righteousness. [/quote]Because morality is not even recognized by the bible. You are claiming equal footing then it is on you to show that the bible claims this. I am saying morality is such a crap standard that their is no mention of it outside of the break down of self righteousness which is condemned.
[quote]Every instance that have been given show that the words can and are used interchangeably. [/quote]then show me
Proove it. Book Chapter and Verse Please.
[quote]Yes it does - since in common understanding the words are used synonymously and your lexicon provides no contradiction. [/quote]see the above statement.
[quote]And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why not only the god of bible is sick and demented, but his followers are as well.[/quote]Which is why you have been given this life, so you can choose whether or not you want to spend eternity with a beng like this. Subsequently this is also why once you make that choice you will be held to it for eternity.
[quote]Where is definition 1B is morality mentions? Don't embarrass yourself by trying to muddle the issue. That the bible states that being righteous (morally upright) is an attribute of god was never disputed. What is being disputed is your statement that being righteous and being moral are two different things. [/quote]
Then if you are making the claim that Righteousness and morality are the same then show me. Showm me one place where morality is mentioned in the bible. I have told you where God has identified righteousness apart from His own as personal or self righteousness. Now you show me where your version of morality/righteousness (because you can used them interchangably) is recognized and accepted by God.
[quote]Yeah-uh.
[/quote]This is what your arguement is reduced to if you can not support it with the correct data.
[quote]I need you to give me evidence to support the statement that "morality is man's attempt at righteousness", which would lead you to conclude that it is something other than righteousness. Everywhere, in the bible, in the lexicon and in the dictionary, there has been no statement that would lead to that conclusion. Your repeating it doesn't make it so. [/quote]
Here is the simple logic that man's morality and God's Righteousness are two different things.Morality is subjective and subject to change from culture to culture or even from generation to generation. God's righteousness Does not Change. The fact that morality is subject to change puts morality in a different catagory than unchanging righteousness of God.
Christ tells several parables and condemns those who change God's will/law or abuses His grace to their own gain. I can give you the parables to read indivisually and explain them or you can read this commentary on self righteousness or 'morality created outside of the Express will of God.
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVartic...usness.htm
[quote]Show me where morality is referred to as something different than righteousness. [/quote]Again you first show me where the bible even identifies and accepts 'morality.'
[quote]All your statement says is that a man's righteousness (morality) - which he'd correctly refer to as his self-righteousness - is different from god's righteousness (morality)- which god would refer to his self-righteousness. Our morality may be unacceptable to your god's righteousness (morality) and his morality is unacceptable to us. [/quote]
My statement says that their is a difference between morality and God's Righteousness. To tie that back into the OP "God is immoral" completes what it is I have to say. In that it does not matter how 'moral' man chooses to judge that actions of God. Because his standard is corrupt.
[quote]No, you haven't shown that because you have shown no instance where morality was used distinctly and irreconcilably for righteousness. [/quote]Because morality is not even recognized by the bible. You are claiming equal footing then it is on you to show that the bible claims this. I am saying morality is such a crap standard that their is no mention of it outside of the break down of self righteousness which is condemned.
[quote]Every instance that have been given show that the words can and are used interchangeably. [/quote]then show me
Proove it. Book Chapter and Verse Please.
[quote]Yes it does - since in common understanding the words are used synonymously and your lexicon provides no contradiction. [/quote]see the above statement.
[quote]And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why not only the god of bible is sick and demented, but his followers are as well.[/quote]Which is why you have been given this life, so you can choose whether or not you want to spend eternity with a beng like this. Subsequently this is also why once you make that choice you will be held to it for eternity.
