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Like it or not, God is immoral.
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RE: Like it or not, God is immoral.
Hi Drich,

I know the discussion has moved on a bit but I've only just caught up. I have a further response which undermines your argument entirely.

Quote:God is not the source of morality. God is the source of true Righteousness. Morlity is man's attempt at said Righteousness.
All that does is make my sentence read like this: "if God is the source of righteousness then righteousness isn't objective as it's subject to God's will; if righteousness is not subject to God's will then it may or may not be objective but God can't be the source."

...which still leaves you with the problem of special pleading.

Quote:That makes God's express will absolute and unchanging
No it doesn't because God has changed his mind, according to the bible, on a number of matters. If he can change his mind about one thing, he can change his mind about anything. Consequently God's will is relative and changeable.

Quote:God does not live to a good standard in order to be considered good. "Good" is a term that can be defined as 'God like.' Now put out of your mind your current understanding of Good. Now substitute it for Anything God decides to do. Whatever that is God's 'good' standard or Righteousness. Even if it is smashing babies against rocks or killing entire races of people. Why? Because Good is not a universal standard in which to measure God. God is the good standard.

Now you may ask why can god do these things but when you do them it is considered evil. In short, you are not God. God reserves the right to be able to do with His creation whatever is in His will.
Then by your own definition, God is immoral. This type of totalitarian dictatorship can only be immoral. You can try shifting the goalposts by saying 'we should be arguing if God is righteous' but that fails due to a fallacy of definition.
Sum ergo sum
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Messages In This Thread
Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Greatest I am - September 12, 2012 at 7:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 12, 2012 at 7:12 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by jonb - September 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by MysticKnight - September 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 12, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 13, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 13, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 15, 2012 at 4:06 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 17, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 18, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 15, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Godschild - September 12, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Lion IRC - September 13, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 14, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 13, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by ThomM - September 13, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 13, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2012 at 4:37 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 15, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 16, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Skepsis - September 17, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Tobie - September 17, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 18, 2012 at 3:15 am

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