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Like it or not, God is immoral.
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RE: Like it or not, God is immoral.
(September 16, 2012 at 9:51 am)genkaus Wrote: It's not actually. Which lends even more credence to my claim.
It would if we had lexicons that made morality and righteousness interchangeable. as it is, they do not. Because Man's morality is derived from self righteous behaivor. Which is a sin.

Quote:do notBecause morality and righteousness mean the same thing, the translations use the same word wherever both are applicable.
empty conjecture. All you have to do is provide topical reference material to shut me up.

Quote:You should really learn some logic. That should stop you from making these embarrassing mistakes. Here's your argument in a different form.

Morality is subjective and subject to change from culture to culture or even generation to generation. My "way of life" Does not Change. The fact that morality is subject to change puts it in a different category that unchanging "way of life" that is mine.
Just because you are not willing to admit change in your own life for the sake of this arguement does not mean it has never changed. (Fallacy: special pleading)

Quote:NO, IT DOESN'T. It is just another type of morality. If it is dependent on the entity, like god's righteousness is dependent on the fictional being, then it is subjective. Being unchanging does not objective make. In fact, if morality is dependent upon the individual identity of the society/generation/culture/person then you should not expect it to change unless the identity changes as well. Thus, your god's righteousness neatly fits into the category of morality.
Then use the bible and a lexicon to show me that what you have adopted to be true in your life is indeed true contextually in the New and old testaments. otherwise your arguement fails.


Quote:It doesn't, because it means the same thing as righteousness.
Book Chapter and Verse please or even Give me a blue letter reference number. otherwise know your arguement has failed.


Quote:And that is why your statement is wrong. There is no difference between morality and god's righteousness because god's righteousness is a type of morality.
Then proove it show me where in the bible God accepts man's morality as his own or even on par with his stated righteousness. Otherwise know your arguement fails.
Quote:Because, since it means the same thing as righteousness, two different words are avoided so as not to confuse stupid readers like you.
If it meant the same thing then the lexicon would have made a note of it. The lexicon would have used the word morality to define righteousness at least in one instance. there are 6 words (that I counted in 2 mins) that the bible uses in the hebrew and in the greek that all get translated into the word righteous or righteousness. 'Morality" is not apart of any of those definations.
As the lexicon consistantly reads, something has to be Ethically right (as per God expressed will) to be considered to righteous. Not all things that man has deemed 'moral' are considered to be ethically right in accordance with God's expressed will. I gave the example of Gay marriage or even Gay rights. Our soceity says it is immoral to keep gay couples from Getting married. This is an example of man's morality and where it is not consistent with God's expressed will and therefore could not be considered "ethically right." Meaning by God's standard in the Hebrew and Greek words defining the term this is not a righteous act. Before you spin up a ton of empty conjecture to pad your empty arguement based on your current 'feelings' on what these words me to you or rather what you think these words should mean to everyone. Bring some more real to this discussion show me reference material or something other than your emasculated personal philosphies and well wishing. Understand you are not argueing me. you are argueing recognized reference material your only hope to have a legitmate arguement is to trump my reference material with something more accepted. (oh, and good luck with finding a source that translates hebrew and greek that will support your arguement that is more respected than the Blue letter bible.)

That said, I am not saying you can't crap all over the orginal meaning of the Hebrew and greek words and use them any way you wish. Just understand when speaking of the Hebrew or Greek as it pertains to how the scripture were orginally meant to be understood morlaity is nothing more than self righteousness. And to judge God by your own self righteousness is foolish.

(September 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(September 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Note I have alread gone down this road with another, and you should know any answer you give will only renforce the self righteousness needed for man to have his own version of righteousness, apart from God..

You say that like its a bad thing. The reason we are so much better off than we were in the past is because we have chosen morality separate from your god's.

It's neither a good or bad thing. I simply pointed out this is the 2nd or 3rd time i gone down this road in this thread. You all can't seem to seperate Righteousness from morality, and I found it true that you can not make the conection between your beloved morality and self righteousness. I was trying to spare ben from dragging him through the same mud you went through.
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Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Greatest I am - September 12, 2012 at 7:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 12, 2012 at 7:12 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by jonb - September 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by MysticKnight - September 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 12, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Reforged - September 13, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 13, 2012 at 10:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 15, 2012 at 4:06 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 9:47 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 9:55 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 15, 2012 at 10:33 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 1:11 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 9:51 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 9:30 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 17, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 17, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 18, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 8:59 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 3:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 14, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 15, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Godschild - September 12, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Lion IRC - September 13, 2012 at 1:02 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by JohnDG - September 14, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 13, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Minimalist - September 13, 2012 at 2:00 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by ThomM - September 13, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 13, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2012 at 4:37 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 15, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 15, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:03 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Ben Davis - September 16, 2012 at 10:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Drich - September 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by genkaus - September 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Polaris - September 16, 2012 at 5:43 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Faith No More - September 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by IATIA - September 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Skepsis - September 17, 2012 at 1:38 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Tobie - September 17, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by Cinjin - September 17, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Like it or not, God is immoral. - by greneknight - September 18, 2012 at 3:15 am

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