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When Faith and Science Clash
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RE: When Faith and Science Clash
(September 20, 2012 at 7:01 am)Reasonable_Jeff Wrote: If atheism is true, then your cognitive abilities have evolved with the aim of survivability....not truth.

i almost stopped reading right here.

Atheism makes NO statements on the 'truth'. Atheism is simply the response, "I don't believe you. Please provide me with demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support your claim", when a theist claims a god exists.

As an atheist, I am not making the truth claim that a god does not exist.

Quote:If I am driving down the road wanting to get to Orlando, FL and I see rocks on a hill near the road that spell out "Welcome to Orlando" I can either assume:

a.) the rocks were placed there by intelligent design
b.) the rocks rolled there by unguided processes and just have the appearance of design

If I assume (a) then it is rational to believe that the message spelled out by the rocks really is true since an intelligence placed them there. It is rational to believe that I really am entering Orlando.

However, if I assume (b) it is irrational to believe that the message spelled out by the rocks is true. They just happen to look like a message, but they really aren't a message. It would be irrational to believe that I really am entering Orlando.

False analogies are false.

Now I wish I did stop reading...

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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When Faith and Science Clash - by Reasonable_Jeff - September 20, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tempus - September 20, 2012 at 7:06 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Faith No More - September 20, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 20, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Reasonable_Jeff - September 20, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - September 20, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by IATIA - September 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Reasonable_Jeff - September 20, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by LastPoet - September 20, 2012 at 7:35 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by pocaracas - September 20, 2012 at 8:03 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 8:50 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Kayenneh - September 20, 2012 at 8:55 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Anomalocaris - September 20, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by FallentoReason - September 20, 2012 at 9:15 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by TaraJo - September 20, 2012 at 9:59 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by IATIA - September 20, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by LastPoet - September 20, 2012 at 10:05 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by FallentoReason - September 20, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by LastPoet - September 20, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Strongbad - September 20, 2012 at 11:07 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Reasonable_Jeff - September 20, 2012 at 11:16 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Darkstar - September 20, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Minimalist - September 20, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Minimalist - September 20, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by downbeatplumb - September 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Faith No More - September 20, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Kayenneh - September 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 20, 2012 at 5:45 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 5:46 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 20, 2012 at 5:48 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Haydn - September 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Haydn - September 20, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Reforged - September 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Haydn - September 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by System of Solace - September 20, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by System of Solace - September 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by IATIA - September 20, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 20, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Darkstar - September 20, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by System of Solace - September 20, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by jonb - September 20, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by MysticKnight - September 20, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 20, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Ryantology - September 20, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Polaris - September 20, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 21, 2012 at 3:56 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 6:52 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Tobie - September 21, 2012 at 7:21 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Ryantology - September 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Whateverist - September 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by LastPoet - September 21, 2012 at 4:07 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Cyberman - September 21, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Faith No More - September 21, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Faith No More - September 21, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 21, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by genkaus - September 21, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Faith No More - September 21, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Jackalope - September 21, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by ChristLives - September 21, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Darwinian - September 21, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by KichigaiNeko - September 22, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Anomalocaris - September 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Cyberman - September 22, 2012 at 10:46 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by pocaracas - September 22, 2012 at 11:10 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Simon Moon - September 22, 2012 at 11:28 am
RE: When Faith and Science Clash - by Cyberman - September 22, 2012 at 11:32 am

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