(September 21, 2012 at 3:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(September 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: The "why" in my OP is not a cause question. I asked why does God exist as opposed to nothing. I did not ask "what caused God to exist."
The idea that God is just a "brute fact" or "must have existed" I find intolerably strange. You're saying that it makes more sense for an incredibly complex, infinitely intelligent, and all powerful conscious personality to have existed first rather than just the universe by itself? The latter seems like a much more simpler answer.
Will the universe is composed of very small parts. I don't think small parts can exist by themselves without something continuously causing them to exist.
To me whatever exists by itself is such that it must be rich in existence. But if it's rich in existence, why would there be a limit? There is no reason for there to be a limit in it's existence, rather it seems whatever it is, and whatever it must be to exist on it's own, would be unbounded/unlimited.
When I see quarks, I see a limit, something setting the existence to a limit.
When I see limits, I see a limiter. But the limiter must have no limit (be ultimate) because nothing was limiting it.
Or....you're seeing the result of natural phenomena that we haven't understood yet (or maybe we have...I'm not an astrophysicist so I wouldn't know).
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
