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Poll: Is there a god?
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There is no god or gods!
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RE: There is no god or gods!
(September 27, 2012 at 9:42 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(September 27, 2012 at 9:12 pm)Dranu Wrote: Please do demonstrate the (as shown in my first post) impossible. It is logically impossible to show God is impossible (whereas it is logically possible for just about everything else even if improbable if not practically impossible). This is a fairly unique quality of God.

First you need to define your god.
As said earlier, the infinite being.

Quote:It is infinite. If it is infinite, then how could there be room for anything else?
You are right in concluding there can be only one. Though the argument is perhaps slightly different than you may think, you are on the right track here (it more has to do with issues of identity and distinction).

As for there being room for all that is finite (creation) refer to my first post. Something can only conflict between limitations. Since God has none (being infinite), there is no internal limit that could conflict with anything else and create a contradiction (such as a being spcio temporally limited not being able to exist in the same place at the same time as another; etc).

Though this is not a problem for Spinoza's/Einstein's God since they are pantheist (I loved it when a Catholic priest proved to him the big bang on his own physics giving some proof to western theism Big Grin), it is an issue I ought to address since I'm no pantheist.

(September 27, 2012 at 9:30 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
Dranu Wrote:It would be wrong to say a negative cannot be disproven. It is done all the time with great ease in many things (though not all, obviously).
Not all, as in those things which are non-falsifiable by definition. God is non-falsifiable in the way that he has been defined, therefore the 'unknowable' god of which most theists speak cannot be disproven absolutely.
Correction: IMPOSSIBLE to disprove at all before even observation (a priori). Now some things are practically non-falsifiable, but God is one of the few things I can think of that is logically non-falsifiable a priori.

Darkstar Wrote:
Dranu Wrote:Please do demonstrate the (as shown in my first post) impossible. It is logically impossible to show God is impossible (whereas it is logically possible for just about everything else even if improbable if not practically impossible). This is a fairly unique quality of God.
This is a fairly unique quality of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. (Well, it is...) Alternatively, this is a fairly common quality among the thousands of gods various religions have claimed to exist.
No, I would imagine he is quite falsifiable depending on what you mean, it is just impractical for us to be able to do so with our current tech, knowledge etc.

Unless of course you mean the same thing as 'God' and are just calling him the 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'. I can call a dog a cat, but it doesn't mean the dog is a cat if I mean the dog Wink.

Anyhow, when I have more time I will try and keep us on topic because I think you still have not actually answered my earlier question, but since I am so charitable I have responded anyhow Big Grin
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Messages In This Thread
There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 17, 2012 at 9:34 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by jonb - September 17, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Pokemon - September 21, 2012 at 2:25 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 23, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Erinome - September 21, 2012 at 2:49 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by TaraJo - September 22, 2012 at 8:43 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ryantology - September 23, 2012 at 1:16 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 23, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 23, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darwinian - September 23, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 23, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 24, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 25, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 25, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Zen Badger - September 26, 2012 at 8:27 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 25, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 23, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ryantology - September 23, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 12:08 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ben Davis - September 25, 2012 at 8:25 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ben Davis - September 26, 2012 at 8:41 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by FallentoReason - September 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by will_alltogether - October 1, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by kılıç_mehmet - September 23, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Tiberius - September 24, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by frankiej - September 24, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Minimalist - September 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Nine - September 24, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 24, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Whateverist - September 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ben Davis - September 24, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by MysticKnight - September 25, 2012 at 1:25 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by genkaus - September 26, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 25, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 27, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 27, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 27, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 27, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 27, 2012 at 10:19 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 27, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 27, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Jackalope - September 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 27, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 28, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 28, 2012 at 4:00 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 28, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 29, 2012 at 12:20 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by MysticKnight - September 29, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 29, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - September 30, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by KichigaiNeko - September 26, 2012 at 7:14 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - September 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by FallentoReason - September 30, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - October 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - October 1, 2012 at 6:32 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by spence96 - October 1, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by spence96 - October 1, 2012 at 8:32 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - October 11, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - September 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by spence96 - September 30, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - October 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by spence96 - October 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darwinian - October 1, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Dranu - October 1, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darwinian - October 1, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - October 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by will_alltogether - October 1, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - October 1, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by will_alltogether - October 1, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - October 1, 2012 at 11:10 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Darkstar - October 1, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by IATIA - October 1, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Ryantology - October 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm
RE: There is no god or gods! - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 6:09 am
RE: There is no god or gods! - by yvon111 - November 12, 2012 at 11:01 am

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