(September 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Agreed but instead of saying "that's not true", I find it better to say, "Hm, really, I hadn't heard that. Where do you get your information?"this is synonymous with the religous. Is it not? the right wing is defined by a beleif in social heiarchy, this means by definition they beleive a "certain group" should be on the "bottom" this "group" obviously changes depending on what religion, ethnicty, or country the right winger is from, but the principle remains the same. They are usually too ashamed to admit, who they think should be on the "bottom", so they make these inflammatory arguments, this again is not specific to just America or the West it's what every conservative group in the world does.
They already know how to respond to denial of their lies. They can just dismiss you. But when you ask them where they get their bullshit information, it confronts their own mind with the fact they've got nothing.
By itself, this won't shake someone like A Theist. He's so brainwashed that pointing out a single lie won't crack the wall of concrete about his skull. However, each little prick will eventually tunnel through his wall of faith.
Place your bets now on which of his canned answers will be his response:
1. "Well, he didn't come out an apologize for America in so many words but he PRACTICALLY apologized when he said..."
2. "OK, fine, the whole 'apology tour' allegation is bullshit but, you know, both sides do it. In fact, I know of one liberal who..."
3. *Silence*
The simplest way to find where they get there info from as you say, is to find out what "group" they think should be on the "bottom"
as Hitler said:
"they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces"
