(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: We must not be talking about the same middle east
when making a list of what might be the best democracies in the middle east Turkey is certainly number 2 after Israel.
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: you could say the same about Iran
NO! Turkey defines itself as the Republic of Turkey, Iran defines itself as the Islamic Republic of Iran. Turkeys Head of State is a President, Irans head of state is a old backwards religious scholar-the ayatola who has the last word in whatever the goverment might propose and who is not elected - wich makes Iran a Theocracy
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: so does Cambodia and Rwanda, don't you find it strange a country that once had mandatory death panalties for dozens of crimes will just "abolish" the death penalty one fine sunday morning??
They abolished the death penalty to rise their chances to become EU member, and also put their courts under the survailance and juristiction european court for human rights.
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: Why? lol.......... is the german media telling people erdogan is the main reason the arab spring didn't result in muslim theocracy?
well since we live nearer to the missle east and our media attention doesn`t focus entirely on what israel might do, I do believe I have a better picture of what`s going on.
The muslim brotherhood actualy critzised Erdoan after his visit, because he proposed egypt to become secular
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: That's just SAUDI'S............ being Saudi's, muslims know how Saudi's act (most travel there once a year after all)there's plenty of money, and guns coming from everywhere, anyway.
I dont get your point? are you saing only because they spread islamist fashism with weapons and bombs doesn`t mean that we have to stop them? i dont think your saying that but if yeah , well it`s nuts!
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: I don't see this at all? there has always been a conflict against the Alawites because they're the ruling class, and a self-declared master race.
the alawites have clearly tried to break up aliences between sects and ethnicities. the kurds are currently more interested in authonomy in the nort than in the rest of the war, the alawite pose as the protectors of the christian minority, so yes - ethnical or and secticious conflict is possible.
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: absolutely not, if it didn't happen in Egypt then it wont happen in Syria, you can't compare yugoslavia to anything....... yugoslavia is special
egypt is not a multicultural country - syria is.
no one can actualy compare historic events since they are all unique.
But one can give examples of similar situations.
Youguslavia was a multicultural nation and when the ruling ethnicitie gradualy lost power it turned to ethnicaly cleansing all other minorities, just like the other ethnicities
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: not true if anything it would be worse, turks are neighbors they have just as much unreasonable hatred, for their neighbors, as your people do, for your wonderful neighbors in Poland
you might be right on that, i forgot that syria once was under brutal ottoman rule.
and the poles love us now so .... you and godwins law!
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: yeah a 99% muslim nation doesn't have much of a need to wory about secularism, also "secular state" doesn't mean much Liberia, and Kazakhstan are secular as well
Libera isn`t mayority muslim and Kazakhstan isn`t a democracy.
so whats your point?
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: most people who rant about the islamist salfists taking over don't care about the conflict and would just as soon nuke all of Syria as their "final solution" you know the one they've been trained from birth to believe in
again. .... you and godwins law!
BREAKING NEWS!!! nazi germany has seized to exist 68 years ago!
and i never claimed that i wanted to nuke all of syria. i just stated that it is the west own fault that salafists are taking over, because of their inaction
(October 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm)cratehorus Wrote: Anyway, not that I think it will happen, but the best way for the FSA to stop this war is to attack this building http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_nav..._in_Tartus it's very unlikely, it would be destroyed without bloodshed, but it would force NATO to kill assad
why? wouldn`t it then be more likely that putin drops bombs on northern syria to end the FSA?
