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An argument from basis.
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RE: An argument from basis.
(October 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: When it comes to taste, something can taste good to us but not for others, and we would be fine with that.

When it comes to morality/honor, we often get upset by others people view of morality/honor, when strongly disagree. We don't just say it's different taste.
However, both are still subjective.

Quote:When it comes to what we find beautiful, we may have different taste, but there is a unifying factor as well.
Which is what, now?

Quote:The point I'm making is that humans naturally believe in objective morality.
I'm sure the psychological community would love to see your findings, but this has no basis in reality. I don't have an objective morality because such a thing does not exist. Sure, I will argue my brand of right and wrong, but it will be different from person to person as it is subjective.

Quote:My belief about taste and beauty also is that sometimes we are blind to what others see of beauty or how something tastes good to us, because we are not adjusted to it. I would say there is a basis for our taste as well. And because none of us are perfectly adjusted with objective reality, we experience things through our own subjective view which has a link to objective reality, but isn't totally in line with that.
Humans are subjective creatures. Nature doesn't give a shit about us. The universe is indifferent to our joys and our suffering. The universe is, we just give it subjective meaning.

Quote:In this case, there is all sorts of beauty, in animals, in nature, it's a different thing if we appreciate it or not.
One might not appreciate it if they don't find it beautiful. I have a lot of experience with that with art being my career goal. That's why we have critique, that's why not everyone's sensibilities (as displayed in a portfolio) gets them hired.

Quote:Different races obviously had their subjective view of beauty and evolution tended to favor that view of beauty, and so I don't think one race is better looking then another.

There is just different types of beauty, and we realize we have preferences. The preferences are not objective and are naturally going to subjective, the same is true of a lot of what we perceive of honour and morality, but there is a lot of perception in which we realize it's not really without basis.
There are different kinds of beauty because it is subjective.

Quote:Another thing to say is that perhaps it can be argued that beauty/taste can be without basis (perhaps it can be, perhaps it can't be), it's simple is an experience, but can the same thing be said about morality/honour? If it is without basis, then the whole experience is definitely flawed and a delusion, unlike that of taste, but honor/morality to be not a delusional experience must be objective.
Of course it is subjective. Again, the universe doesn't care enough to establish a moral/honor code. We do that because we're humans and have a need to be special.


Maybe I would understand it better if you laid out this obviously objective honor code?
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An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Darkstar - October 6, 2012 at 5:02 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Haydn - October 6, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Brian37 - October 6, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by JosephBowie - October 26, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 6, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Brian37 - October 6, 2012 at 6:22 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Jackalope - October 6, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Jackalope - October 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Darkstar - October 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Jackalope - October 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Haydn - October 6, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 8:04 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 6, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Jackalope - October 6, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 6, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Jackalope - October 6, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by IATIA - October 6, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 7, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by MysticKnight - October 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Annik - October 8, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by downbeatplumb - October 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by genkaus - October 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 16, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by Ryantology - October 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RE: An argument from basis. - by liam - October 18, 2012 at 8:01 pm

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