Is 'faith' really a 'great cop-out'?

[Daystar]

Daystar - Funny, that is how the faithful often see science.

Leo - Well if that is the case which I doubt, then they have no good insight in how the scientic method works.

Science. Why is it that we lump evolution in with science? Evolution is what we are talking about, not science. Why lump all of science in there with evolution. The faithful often think that people who don't subscribe to their position are in some way beneath them.

In the mind of much of the faithful the atheist position releases one from moral responsibility much the same as the atheist that I have known tend to think the fathful have abandoned reason. This is the sort of smug observations made by establishing some principled position that is strictly adhered to.

I think it is all silly because if nothing else the Christian should be made aware of their own sin. Look at the Bible. King David was beloved of God - the name means as much, my own name. Yet I would like to think that I would never do the stuff David did. On the other hand if I am going to compare what the average atheist knows about the Bible they so sharply criticize, they know very little.

I think the sort of political / social / emotional / traditional position creates misinformation.

Daystar - The easy answer with no responsibilities or accountability.

Leo - Of course scientists are accountable.

Well, that may be, but how many scientists are here.

Daystar - Of course, God provided those answers a long time before science did - come to think of it, science has no answer regarding how we got here. Just God. That makes it the only possible answer doesn't it.

Leo - So what exactly did god do, and what modus operandi did god use?

Jehovah God created. The name itself means "He causes to become." Science speculates how that might have been done but where is the real issue with the beliefs of either one of us set aside?

I like to imagine what would happen if that were possible.

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My good friend Daystar, we recently agreed ( to my chagrin ) over our being here......now then I agree again with you that nobody knows how we are here.
Let me offer a theory, it isn't mine, I'm not so clever, nor do I claim it the answer.
What if what there is, has always been?
No creator, no big bang.
To my mind, that is equal to either option.

Twice we agreed?! Well, if we agree on the inability to be able to really know and prove our theories yours makes as much sense as any. Actually more than evolution, as far as I am concerned because Evolution begs the question of what came first. Where I would say the creator they draw a blank. You can't have a big bang with nothing.

The most difficult aspect of my belief, at least for me is where God came from.

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Evidence please Daystar.

You want me to provide evidence that what you think is a fairy tale exists - but I can't use scripture? Perhaps it would be easier for you to provide some evidence for Origin of species. But you can't use science.