(October 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: The_Germans_are_coming: Later is when I have the time! It's not dictated by you.
No it is not desided by me, but posting your adds and no facts and then expecting others to accept that - is anoying!
(October 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: I am not trying to gain your support or even make you understand every little detail behind my stance on this matter.
Oh I just love it when people, out of lack of argument, simply project the adjective of "not knowing" to people.
I am generaly a pragmatic, I have voted across political borders and given my vote to the more convincing argument on how to solve current issues.
this argument has to be logicaly and logisticaly comprehensible.
A mouthpiece who simply repeats how great he will make sociaty and when not being capable to deliever the logical and logistical facts required to convince a rational individual, simply states: "oh you dont need to understand every bit of it", is like a religious guy, who when confronted with attrocities in his religious book or doctrins simply replies: "god works in misterious ways."
in a political debate the argument of "I dont want to convince you" deserves no other answere then: well what the fuck are you doing here!?
You can eighter convince me with arguments on how to solve current issues or not. I`m not here to cuddle or read addverts for your utopia.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: ou equate total freedom to "totalitarian",
obviously you didn`t get the point of the Popper quotation.
You propose a Utopia, a perfect sociaty. Believeing in a "perfect sociaty" \ Utopia, requires the rejection of the current state.
The current state, a democracy, is based on the principle of "change of goverment" which means no one can inforce the rules of his Utopia for a undetermened perios of time.
Ever heard of the "reign of terror" following the french revolution, were Robspiere "enforced freedom" for his goal of a "free sociaty" (Utopia) and those who refused to be "free" ended on the guilotene.
The framework called democracy you currently live in prevents this kind of inforcement of utopia.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: yet the current way the state/government functions is not?
I have no anarchist standing at my front door with a gun demanding that I should accept his version of "freedom" at gunpoint and stateing that democracy no longer exists. So no I dont live in a totalitarian state.
And if paying taxes to receive healthcare is totalitarian to you - you should visit a stasi\gestapo\pinochet museum and read some books on democracy.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:05 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: Seems about right when speaking with/to a statist.
what are you talking about?!
