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[The Grand Nudger]

Well, multikulti is a stillborn ideology. IT never worked, and never will. Therefore, the US does not operate on that ideology.

LOL? "Therefore" eh, no, sorry, that's not how it works. We're a multicultural nation, that's really all there is to it Mehm, we're also a world power, and despite recent setbacks, we're not looking at waves of emigration just yet.

Who said it did? On the other hand, it maintains the same policy as the world's historical mutli-national empires did. Force the minorities to adopt the culture and language of the majority. The extend to which this was successful varied according to several variables. But I must say that the US is probably the most successful amongst these, as it's based on a totally new continent, one which severs the thread to which those who immigrate there(from overseas), and allows them to assimilate into a common new identity.

You keep forgetting (more appropriately ignoring) that this "totally new continents" culture -is- a product of the cultures of the immigrants who came here...and it continues to be so to this very day.

I did not say that they hated it. However I would not dare comparing them to the minorities that are found in your country. Our minorities are fiercely maintain their own heritage, and those who have legal rights to it maintain their own schools that teach exclusively in their own language.

You think we don't have schools that teach spanish as a first language...or any number of native dialects? Maybe you should at least google the shit that comes out of your mouth before you grace us with it.

I'd say that it'd be hard for the US to truly exist with at least three majıor religious being active there. Yugoslavia, with it's people being of the same race, have split up in different "nation states" due to the religious differences that existed amongst the people.
Balkanization could easily happen in the US, should religious differences in the population reach a such a ratio as it was the case for Yugoslavia.

We already have our fun little history of religious tension, not the least of which tension between the brothers-in-christ.

And I guess that General Custer was very well versed in German literature and spoke fluent German.

I wouldn't know, but I bet he learned a little native on the way out.

Which brings me back to my previous point.
However, I'm sure that the US government expects that any immigrants who do not speak English to learn the language, yes?

It's the lingua franca, yep.

Recent immigrants(probably from south and central american countries), who do not speak the language can expect not much from the system, they can only become lowly workers, and nothing more, in short, "second class" citizens and maybe not even citizens at all, which is probably the reason why a large portion of those immigrants are illegal aliens, eh?

Actually, one of the main reasons that a large portion are illegal immigrants is that the place they're coming from sucks major balls, and they have neither the time nor the resources to drag themselves through all the red tape that the immigration process can entail. Does your ability to speak english influence your opportunities in your country? Bet it does.

And I wonder why you have not adopted the language of the majority of the immigrants?

I keep trying to explain to you that I have..lol

It wasn't the language of the immigrants, it was the language of the overlords of those immigrants. And they forced them to learn it.

You really need to learn at least a tiny smidgeon of American history if you're going to blather on about it Mehm.

A wide number of languages are spoken in America, of that I'm aware. The large number of red indian tongues, who knows how well they are preserved, or in which condition they are now, and small portions of people who speak french and german...I'd say that they hold no real weight to classify your country as "multicultural" at all...

I'd agree, it isn't the language of the various cultures that I find so appealing to begin with. Nor is their contribution limited to a few words here and there.

You have to thank the recent latino immigration into your country for any other spoken language besides english as far as I'm concerned.

Not really, as you yourself have noted a great many languages have been spoken here depending on the time frame and region. Get your shit together.

It's not the number of languages that are spoken, it's the number of speakers that keep languages alive.

Again, why you place such great importance on what language a person speaks is beyond me.

A great deal, to be honest. The fact that the country I live in is named Turkey, and it's citizens Turks, is due to the people that live here are Turks.

Yep, even the ones who aren't Turkish.

Same with Germany, Italy, Poland and the nation states around the world, friend.

Yep, even the ones who aren't German, Italian, or Polish.

Nothing is impassable.
However everything has limits within reason. It is not reasonable to think that a Turk can become a Malay or vice versa, even if he's a Malaysian citizen.

That's because you're incorrectly conflating ethnicity with nationality....again.

We do have a name that differentiates us from the rest though. Türkçü/Ülkücü.

A rose by any other name my love.

You checked, but you failed to understand. As a nationality, "Turkish" whatever that means, as this word has no real counterpart in the Turkish language(We call it "Turk"), the term Turk, exists due to the existence of ethnic Turks. And it exists because Turks are the crushing majority in this country. As with other nations, any minorities in nation states are simply disregarded when adressed in official documents. This does not mean that they do not exist.

We have crushing majorites here as well, the rest remain American in nationality, in the same one that a citizen of turkey would be Turkish. They may be something else, something altogether less desirable, but they are citizens are they not?

From the viewpoint of the minorities, they seem to be very keen on disowning this term, and prefer to be called by their own names.

Names like African American, Irish American, Italian American, Native American? Go figure.

You call yoursef American, but they do not call themselves "Turks". For that name is the name of the ethnicity itself. You get confused because it has a different counterpart in the english language, but for us, the term Turk applies for all. Both the ethnicity, and therefore, the nation.

It would be more confusing if you continued to attempt this garbage. I don't speak your barbaric language (and as such I don't really care to argue the vagaries of whatever grunts you assign to this and that concept), but I do know that nationality and ethnicity are separate items -even for you- and even in Turkey.

Yeah, I too see a wide variety of flags in Ankara. However the flag of the sovereign is the flag of the sovereign. I don't know how many of you pledge your allegience to the flags of your respective ethnicity(like say, an American with German ancestry sings the Deutsche Nationalhymne or an American with Italian ancestry hangs Italian flags all over his house) but I'm fairly certain that these still do not matter. You're still a product of assimilation, and your bonds with your ancestral ethnic groups are minimal, save for very recent immigrants.

Take a trip through the deep south and try to figure out which of the two flags hanging from the yard art hold more sway...lol. By and large Americans seem to be fairly happy about their nationality, but why you assume that they value this above their ethnicity (or that some conflict exists between the two) is beyond me. A person can be both a "loyal american" and "asian" round here. Nationality =/= ethnicity. Why do you feel qualified to tell other people about their ancestral bonds?

As a matter of fact, we do not advocate assimilation for our ethnic minorities. To be perfectly honest, we want clear distinctions between us and them.. I certainly do not even expect loyalty from them, as I figure that this is too much to ask for from a minority.

You probably think that because you're a bigot who proposes a bigoted system of governance. Just throwing that out there.

Regrettably, leftlist-leaned governments in Turkey and all around the world have forced their minorities to undergo assimilation.
One example would be the ex-Soviet states. They soviet leaders have sought the destruction of indigenous cultures and languages without being ethnic supremacists, and likewise, communist China has tried the same, and is still trying to do the same to the minorities that live in China today.

Boogity boogity boogity, red commie this, red commie that.

To give an example from my own country, the leftist İnönü government has pursued a policy of assimilation to assimilate the ethnic identities in Turkey under a single Turkish identity, just as was the case in America, they have tried to "Americanize" our country, but visibly, have failed to do so.

I can see why such a thing would be difficult to accomplish. Thankfully, our situation sort of handled itself. We melted together, no one actually stirred the pot (this all happened with everyone kicking and screaming against it by and large by the way), again, at least learn just a little bit about our history before you attempt to draw parrallels.

Neither Turks, nor non-Turks accepted this policy, neither did the folks in Russia. However, the Soviets have used extensive brutality and force, while pursuing assimilation policies far more seriously than the İnönü government did in it's lifetime, and this is why most ex-Soviet countries have Russian as a official minority language, or co-official language(being on the same level as the other one).
Yulia Timoshenko for example, admitted that she did not know how to speak Ukrainian until a late period in her life, and knew only to speak Russian. Similarly, many friends from Central Asian countries sometimes speak Russian amongst themselves, rather than their mother language, which is akin to me speaking german with my mother. Ethnic identities corrode with the loss of language, friend.
This is why I place so much value on it.

Ethnic identities erode for many reasons, and new ones form in their place. That is exactly how I ended up with mine...and exactly how you ended up with yours.

I've already said that I have experience living abroad, in the western world, in a country which has a constitution written by Americans, namely, Germany.

This qualifies you to comment on how it is in America precisely how (and if it does..then why do you keep getting shit so hilariously wrong?)

I'm fairly certain that the lot of the American citizens who are not recent immigrants are assimilated into American society, and the US government expects that newly arrived immigrants do the same.
This requires you to leave your identity behind, and adopt the new one. This obviously doesn't happen over a single generation. But it happens, and must happen if America is to survive.

How many times do I have to tell you this, you are not required to leave your identity behind. If all it takes to eradicate your goddamned master race is speaking english then you've already fucking lost Mehm..because here you are...speaking english.

Well, it would be important for me, and say my children. But how about my grandchildren's children? And obviously, they'll be married off with someone who is not of our kin, or in my case, they will be married with someone of my kin, but after I'm gone....Sooner or later, complete assimilation will take place. They will only know that some grandfather of ours was a Turk, but nothing more.

If that's all you family felt was important to pass along, yeah, sure. I know a great deal more about my heritage than you seem to think would survive of your own.

I'm just saying that assimilation bears rewards in the American system,

You mean speaking english......

While protecting your roots does not. Red indians who live in reserves live under derelict conditions. They only wanted to maintain their culture, language, people and customs. And their slice of the cake is this. What more can I say?

They were incapable of adequetely "protecting their root" at a period of time in which our policies and culture were vastly different than they are today. You really, really need to learn a little about our history Mehmet.....

Indeed. But with no set ethnic identity behind it, who really knows what it really is?

This is possibly the most ignorant thought I've ever seen put to words. To answer it, clearly not yourself.

What it means to be a Turk is to know that your people are a people of great history. To know that you have won these lands by spilling your blood, and the blood of your foes.

For some reason I doubt that you've spilled any blood (or will be spilling any blood anytime soon) Mehmet. Call it a soldiers hunch. Let the corpses of your ancestors rest in their graves, they probably earned it.

To know that you are the grandsons of Kılıç Arslan and Selim the Grim. To know that your heroic ancestors have endured the sands of Central Asia, the perils of Anatolia and crashed upon the Walls of Constantinople to make these lands the home of Turks. It's not just a name. Unlike yours, it's not just a name, nor a piece of paper. You cannot understand these, as you are nothing more than a mongrel nation of outcasts, slaves, and seekers of fortune.

Yep, thats us. No grandfathers, no hardships, no military conquests, just a name, just a piece of paper. Bunch of outcasts, slaves, and seekers of fortune. I was wrong. -This- is the most ignorant thing I've ever seen put to the page.