RE: Anarchism
October 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2012 at 7:04 pm by JefferyHale.)
(October 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm)festive1 Wrote:(October 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: As for you response to "statism", you're incorrect. In a stateless society, there would be NO force. Therefore negating what it is you responded with. A democracy advocates "mob rules" & that the majority have a say over the minority. The reason people vote in a leader, is so that particular leader puts into motion that in which they feel is moral & just, even if others do not wish to follow said rules/laws. This goes against my principals.Not true. There would be force and lots of it. When my husband last visited Mogadishu about 9 years ago, he got an armed guard of 6 guys with AK-47's with his hotel room. When there is no legitimate law enforcement, people take up weapons and defend themselves, often to disastrous effect.
(October 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: You can abolish taxes by voting? Which ballot supported this? Sounds as if you're cherry-picking to justify your stance on the matter.Well the thing about democracy is that majority is supposed to rule. Since the majority of voters don't wish to abolish taxes, it hasn't been put on the ballot lately. If there were a sizable group of like-minded people who had a representative supporting their cause, it could be put on the ballot. But there isn't a sizable group that supports this measure, hence why it hasn't been put up to a vote.
(October 22, 2012 at 5:16 pm)JefferyHale Wrote: And you're not playing words? So, because they don't have a right to enforce their rules/laws onto me, I should then take the approach THEY too see fit in order to change something that is merely a pipe-dream in a government-based society? Do you see the irony here? Why have government in the first place? This is my point. Without government I wouldn't have to vote to change things that just won't happen.I'll use Obama's "You didn't build that," line here. You've used public roads, you've used public water lines, I'm guessing you attended public schools, you didn't and couldn't build that on your own. People figured out millennia ago that our chances of survival go up if we work together. Why regress? That's why we developed a whole slew of institutions, religions, governments, etc. Not that these institutions shouldn't be questioned and in some cases left aside, but basic rule of law is one really good reason for a central government.
Would you ever consider visiting to Somalia to experience anarchy yourself? Why or why not.
Public roads, water lines & the like would absolutely still exist! So, because government is gone, somehow roads wouldn't exist? I'm surprised this wasn't brought up sooner, since this seems to the the first thing people gravitate towards. I'm headed out for a drink, but will elaborate on this point a little later. Yes, I did attend public school, against my will. I had no say in the matter, therefore it's invalid. I am vehemently against public schools though!
Contrary to popular belief, Somalia does in fact have a government. They have a parliament & a president. It is a democracy, just like the U.S., but different at the same time. I would have no interest in visiting because their culture differs from that in which I'm fond of & their climate isn't partial to redheaded individuals.

Again, people view anarchy as "total chaos" & in certain sub-sects I would agree. However, anarcho-capitalism is structured to work, in my opinion. That which is set into place (I've done extensive research) makes sense to me & is the only fair way of running things. Which is: Non-aggression principle, self-ownership, voluntary association, and natural order.
(October 22, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:The difference between libertarianism and anarchism is that.....
the anarchists are honest.
Nice! I would compare most libertarians to agnostics. They're apologists. Where, I would compare most anarchists to atheists. They're bold.

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