(October 26, 2012 at 1:17 pm)Darkstar Wrote:(October 26, 2012 at 1:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: But it's not like God for example is tested if he would be faithful to a wife or husband. Or that he has to struggle to learn. Or that he has to pefer helping others to helping himself.
His decision is rather simple and no brainer. And because he would know that peace lies in being good, if we assume he has knowledge of good, then it would be a no brain decision without any struggle.
That has significantly less value then the praise many humans go through.
Therefore it seems God in the sense of ultimately great cannot be earned in reality nor can have always been.
Well, the descision I see god making is whether he wants to enslave us or not. If he is sadistic, he might create things just to kill them. However, we still exist, so that must not be the case here. HOwever, the possibility of him being apathetic is still open. Also, is god necessarily unchanging? He is defined as such by many religions, but I am not sure if this is an assumption that can be made so easily.
Well what I'm saying if he has power to be good and at peace, and this power is super strong and so is his sense of morality, and there is really nothing to go in the way of that, then is the decision really that valuable?
We humans have to get a strong belief in morals, and sometimes due to various factors, we ignore morals. It's a struggle really.
The struggle in the human experience is there because we simply can't "will" without whatever force we please.
We earn value when we push ourselves and struggle against laziness for example.
But is the case of an absolute being? A powerful being.
Moreover, the concept of oneness of God's Names is that for his attributes to be perfect, they must be ultimate, which can only be ultimate existence. But if he was to ascend to that, it would mean he wasn't simply and one.
So all the intuitions I have about God from a child till now, seem to be off.
He is not infallible, but must chose. Against my orignal concept.
He wasn't orginally simple and one with perfect attributes, but had to ascend and change to that, after being something more complex and multiplicity existing in him.
It seems however the platonic concept of ultimate praise/beauty/value always existing and the foundation of our perception (the cave analogy) is not true.
At most, the platonic argument can be is that there is ultimate perception to all possible levels of value, beauty, praise.
