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An argument that disproves God possibly existing?
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RE: An argument that disproves God possibly existing?
(October 26, 2012 at 2:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Yes, I agree. Perhaps there are "gods" that earned value. But it seems they have to live in a similar world with struggle as we do. In other words, the classic God concept doesn't fit this earning of value.

Perhaps I am wrong, but the only absolute gods I can think of are Allah, and Yahweh/Holy Trinity. Many of the polytheistic religions I know about have flawed gods. Take the ancient Greeks, for example. (Okay, by 'all' I mean basically Greco-Roman stuff and a tad of Egyptian)

Greek Mythology
wikipedia Wrote:"Myths of origin" or "creation myths" represent an attempt to render the universe comprehensible in human terms and explain the origin of the world. The most widely accepted version at the time, although a philosophical account of the beginning of things, is reported by Hesiod, in his Theogony. He begins with Chaos, a yawning nothingness. Out of the void emerged Gaia (the Earth) and some other primary divine beings: Eros (Love), the Abyss (the Tartarus), and the Erebus.
Unlike Yahweh, they had a beginning, albiet one that is hard to believe; that gods could emerge from nothing when humans could not.
wikipedia Wrote:According to Classical-era mythology, after the overthrow of the Titans, the new pantheon of gods and goddesses was confirmed. Among the principal Greek gods were the Olympians, residing atop Mount Olympus under the eye of Zeus. (The limitation of their number to twelve seems to have been a comparatively modern idea.) Besides the Olympians, the Greeks worshipped various gods of the countryside, the satyr-god Pan, Nymphs (spirits of rivers), Naiads (who dwelled in springs), Dryads (who were spirits of the trees), Nereids (who inhabited the sea), river gods, Satyrs, and others. In addition, there were the dark powers of the underworld, such as the Erinyes (or Furies), said to pursue those guilty of crimes against blood-relatives. In order to honor the Ancient Greek pantheon, poets composed the Homeric Hymns (a group of thirty-three songs). Gregory Nagy regards "the larger Homeric Hymns as simple preludes (compared with Theogony), each of which invokes one god".
Here they are shown as more of a species, and not as all powerful, either.
wikipedia Wrote:The Greeks considered immortality as the distinctive characteristic of their gods; this immortality, as well as unfading youth, was insured by the constant use of nectar and ambrosia, by which the divine blood was renewed in their veins.
This further suggests that they are not nearly omnipotent.

They also had notable personality defects; not even Zeus was ever said to be perfect.
wikipedia Wrote:A few radical philosophers like Xenophanes of Colophon were already beginning to label the poets' tales as blasphemous lies in the 6th century BC; Xenophanes had complained that Homer and Hesiod attributed to the gods "all that is shameful and disgraceful among men; they steal, commit adultery, and deceive one another". This line of thought found its most sweeping expression in Plato's Republic and Laws. Plato created his own allegorical myths (such as the vision of Er in the Republic), attacked the traditional tales of the gods' tricks, thefts and adulteries as immoral, and objected to their central role in literature.

(October 26, 2012 at 2:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't understand^

I didn't either. After googling:

Anselm of Canterbury
wikipedia Wrote:Anselm wrote many proofs within Monologion and Proslogion. In the first proof, Anselm relies on the ordinary grounds of realism, which coincide to some extent with the theory of Augustine. He argues that "things" are called "good" in a variety of ways and degrees, which would be impossible were there not some absolute standard and some good in itself, in which all relative goods participate. The same applies to adjectives like "great" and "just", whereby things involve a certain greatness and justice. Anselm uses this thought process to state that the very existence of things is impossible without some one Being, by whom they come to exist. This absolute Being, this goodness, justice and greatness, is God. Anselm is not thoroughly satisfied with this reasoning, however, because it begins from a posteriori grounds, meaning that the reasoning is inductive. The philosophy also contains several converging lines of proof.
Sound familiar?
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RE: An argument that disproves God possibly existing? - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm

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