(October 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: So you think government should have a role in 'enforcing' "guiding principles of humanity"? The fuck does that even mean?
Well, here is the thing. Why is copy right there? It's for the well being of society. There is consequences to society as a whole without copy right.
But people seem to focus on "physical" or "material" well being only. I think spiritual well being of society is also important.
So for example, I don't think prostitution should be allowed.
I think "honour" is important to protect in society.
As for jealousy causing revenge, it's a factor, a motivation, but then their is praise when you overcome jealousy.
It's also praise where your love of the person and respect of his rights, overcomes your jealous feelings.
However, jealousy is not a bad feeling in itself. Well there is two types. There is one type, that wishes bad upon the other person. Then there is the type that you wish you had the good of that person. I think the latter is natural. Sometimes it's a mix of both.
And the type of jealous nature, the want of the partner for yourself, comes out appreciation of who they are. No it's not base all the time.
I'm sorry, you might as well call romantic love base all the time. Sure if you don't know the partner, and had no relationship with them, and you felt jealousy over them simply on their looks or something, that is base. But even that is natural. It simply sparks out of the love we have for ourselves.
Jealousy is a double edge sword. It can be bad, it can be good. In marriage, not having jealous nature type love over your partner, means you care less if they go have sex with another or love another. I'm sorry but that means you don't value the romantic relationship between you as you should.
And kids naturally feel that way over their parents without parents ever telling them they should.
Quote: I'd associate jealousy more with the oft-resulting inconsiderate control than anything else.
You got to be kidding me. So if you love your husband/wife, and you don't want him/her having sex with others, you are having inconsiderate control?
Quote:Why would either of these occur without the other?
Mob like potential preference of society...it's not necessarily that one will be majority, but that it can become a norm.
For example, it maybe that guys won't marry one woman with a husband. But the same would not be true of woman marrying men with another wife.
Or if society totally looses it , it can be the other way.
It's not that it will definetly happen, but it's possible. It's not necessarily that both would be embraced.
Quote:If a person cheats, and is caught... do you really think that all of the other people will always accept that? Everyone is different... there are people who are willing to let shit like that slide to an extent (ie: me), there are people for whom this is a deal-breaker, and there are people who will hook up with the person you 'cheated' with because they really were an awesome person (perhaps while breaking it off with you).
Your missing the point. If it's legal to marry multiple partners, then it can become very hard to keep a monogamous relationship. It's become much easier to cheat.
Society already cheats well enough. It's something we should try to reduce, not make it more easier and more of a norm.
Quote:Only if you want to make it so. I'd certainly love to protect future generations from believing shit like jealousy being okay Line ain't red: line is purple.
No, not just me. It takes the majority. But my voice in the many would be to enforce these red lines.
And in fact, personally, I want bigger consequences for cheating in society. Of course not the "stoning" penalty of Islam, but a heavy consequence.
Quote:... Right. Knock yourself out, mate ^_^
Generations in the future will see who will win.