[quote='FallentoReason' pid='356915' dateline='1351699437']
[quote]I can see a few possibilities stemming from this:
100% allegory
No A&E means no earthly Jesus. Just revelations of him through the spirit. The problem is that we still have those verses that insist A&E were literal humans...not too sure where to go from here.
Jesus existed somehow
This is really saying something about God's properties; that he couldn't control how his word would turn out. If we have to deny all the apparent connections between the OT and NT and say Jesus was born indepenent of what the OT says, then that's just a pretty sloppy job of God willing his word into existence. This isn't very intellectually satisfying, but I guess it could be. I don't know what that even means for the theology then.[/quote]
If these are the only possiablities you can see 'steming from this' then either you do not fully understand the arguement, or 2 you have decided to press onward with your point without addressing the ramifacations of my statement.
[quote]So I'm presomptuous [/quote]Absoultly! because it is from your persumption that you believe that your understanding of the only appologetic that would denounce the existance of God is completely consistant with what the bible actually says. This appologetic aside I ask you to provide the scripture that gives the dates or time frames needed to show the deception you have outlined.
[quote]while as a Christian you readily claim on a whim that you know where the universe came from?[/quote]Actually no. You have not asked me where I thought the universe came from. If you had I would have said I don't know. Or I would have simply said God did it.
[quote] Evolution is evident.[/quote]Your argueing an invalid arguement. Again I point to my arguement on evolution. One does not exclude the other.
[quote] I highly doubt we've misunderstood why we have a tail bone, why snakes have pelvic bones, why our DNA is 98% to that of monkey's DNA, why whales have undeveloped hind legs etc etc. All of this would be deceptive if evolution is wrong. Therefore, through God's will, Genesis is allegorical.[/quote]no.
One more time the theory I put forward in my evolution thread accounts for both creation AND leaves room for evolution. One does not mean the other is implausable.
[quote]I can see a few possibilities stemming from this:
100% allegory
No A&E means no earthly Jesus. Just revelations of him through the spirit. The problem is that we still have those verses that insist A&E were literal humans...not too sure where to go from here.
Jesus existed somehow
This is really saying something about God's properties; that he couldn't control how his word would turn out. If we have to deny all the apparent connections between the OT and NT and say Jesus was born indepenent of what the OT says, then that's just a pretty sloppy job of God willing his word into existence. This isn't very intellectually satisfying, but I guess it could be. I don't know what that even means for the theology then.[/quote]
If these are the only possiablities you can see 'steming from this' then either you do not fully understand the arguement, or 2 you have decided to press onward with your point without addressing the ramifacations of my statement.
[quote]So I'm presomptuous [/quote]Absoultly! because it is from your persumption that you believe that your understanding of the only appologetic that would denounce the existance of God is completely consistant with what the bible actually says. This appologetic aside I ask you to provide the scripture that gives the dates or time frames needed to show the deception you have outlined.
[quote]while as a Christian you readily claim on a whim that you know where the universe came from?[/quote]Actually no. You have not asked me where I thought the universe came from. If you had I would have said I don't know. Or I would have simply said God did it.
[quote] Evolution is evident.[/quote]Your argueing an invalid arguement. Again I point to my arguement on evolution. One does not exclude the other.
[quote] I highly doubt we've misunderstood why we have a tail bone, why snakes have pelvic bones, why our DNA is 98% to that of monkey's DNA, why whales have undeveloped hind legs etc etc. All of this would be deceptive if evolution is wrong. Therefore, through God's will, Genesis is allegorical.[/quote]no.
One more time the theory I put forward in my evolution thread accounts for both creation AND leaves room for evolution. One does not mean the other is implausable.
