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Proof that God doesn't exist
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RE: Proof that God doesn't exist
(October 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Am I reading what I think I'm reading?
Yes, and seemingly for the first time.
Quote:It's almost implied here that God is apathetic towards those that choose darkness, but on top of that he approves of it by selling that lie to us himself???
As noted, it’s judgment, not apathy or approval.
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True, humans are good at self-deception, with over 3 000+ gods ever imagined I'd say you've got a point.

Can you be more specific as to where we are deceiving ourselves? Is it through using God's willed universe to learn about God's willed universe or do we have God's willed word all wrong? Given what I said in the OP, I'd say the latter.
I’d say we’re deceiving ourselves with our origins models, but the main point is that your conclusion/premise that “we can rest assured that the interpretation of the universe is exactly what he willed. This means that the universe really is 13.7 billion years old and that the earth is 4.5 billion years old” is unsupported.

As you note yourself that your argument is akin to do-mi-NOES, consider what happens when one section of the domino chain fails: the rest of it fails as well.
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If you're suggesting that Satan deceives through the physical world, then I have to conclude God isn't all-powerful or isn't all-knowing.
No you don’t. This is another false dichotomy. You could also conclude that God allows Satan to attempt to deceive us for God’s own purposes. We don’t know all of God’s dealings with the angels.

BTW, I’m not suggesting that Satan actually tampers with physical evidence. The deception is in the interpretation of facts, not the facts themselves. Creationists generally agree with evolutionists on objective measurements.
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Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 12:00 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by ThomM - November 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - October 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - October 31, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - October 31, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Aractus - November 1, 2012 at 4:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by John V - November 1, 2012 at 8:09 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:37 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 9:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 1, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 1:00 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 12:15 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 1, 2012 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 2:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 1, 2012 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Drich - November 2, 2012 at 10:59 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Godschild - November 2, 2012 at 5:33 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by festive1 - November 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 2, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 2, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 2:26 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 3:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Undeceived - November 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by pocaracas - November 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Cato - November 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Whateverist - November 3, 2012 at 3:35 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:27 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 3, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 6:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by genkaus - November 4, 2012 at 8:28 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 10:08 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 3, 2012 at 9:24 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Minimalist - November 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 4, 2012 at 8:09 am
Re: Proof that God doesn't exist - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2012 at 6:47 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2012 at 10:13 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Welsh cake - November 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 4, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 5, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Reasonable_Jeff - November 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2012 at 8:58 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 6, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Proof that God doesn't exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm

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