RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.
November 11, 2012 at 10:45 am
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2012 at 11:01 am by Angrboda.)
(November 10, 2012 at 5:57 pm)Drich Wrote: I did give examples. they were dismissed as not being 'hateful enough' so I pointed to his thread/poll "http://atheistforums.org/thread-15615.html" Where his hate/anger carries over to his own father. I can also point to his current thread/poll where he is currently defending his particular use of 'facts' that supports his title assertion that in the beginning man was stupid." In this thread he starts off discussing biblical passages, and has since turned the conversation to 'facts' he presents to support stereotypes and focoused bigotry he feels is justified for the people who lived in the time, and culture that Genesis was orginally written. He has even attacked the characteristics of the penis' of the men who lived in that region and time. Which is something the Nazis directly did! They did this to dehumanize the Jews. Cinny is doing the same thing.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rim3.htm
...For what it is worth Alpo..
Please reference me to the posts claiming that his conduct was not 'hateful enough' — those sound like your words, not theirs. For what it's worth, if all you are claiming is that Cinjin's propaganda, and I'm willing to accept it as that, ex hypothesi, may be similar to propaganda used by the Nazis in greater or lesser measure, is the only measure in which he is like a Nazi, then I think you're misappropriating the term. It wasn't using propaganda that earned the Nazis the anathema that the mere word visits today. Things like, killing people, enslaving individuals and whole countries, experimenting on people unethically, and a whole list of other atrocities that I'm sure you're at least minimally aware of are the bedrock of their reputation, not Hitler and Goebbel's colorful rhetoric. If you are claiming Cinjin is a Nazi or like a Nazi because he uses hateful propaganda, then I'd say the analogy is laughable. Beyond that, I see nothing specifically wrong with being a Nazi. The acts of people who call themselves Nazis today and the acts carried out under then Nazi leadership are certainly deplorable, but I don't know that there is anything specific to Nazism itself that is particularly objectionable (or not greatly so, in the scheme of things; a historian and philosopher, in a Youtube video examining the points in common between Nazi philosophy and Nietzsche's philosophy made the comment that history had demonstrated the philosophy of the Nazi party wrong. I realize this was largely rhetorical, but I asked my philosophy group exactly what was wrong with Nazism and the only response I got was nervous laughter. [I restated the question and still got no response]). And you've prompted me to ramble enough to see in what way you, too, are like the Nazis. The Nazis used propaganda to enlist support for questionable programs. Propaganda is typically defined as the use of an emotional appeal, to stir a person to action, in the absence of rational argument. That's exactly what you are doing: you are using the horrific reputation of the German National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and the programs and pogroms of its leadership to dredge up an emotional response to Cinjin's "hate speech" in the absence of rational argument that, whether Nazi like or not, there are rational reasons for opposing his actions. Now since Cinjin isn't going around gassing Christians and conducting anesthesia free experiments on Fundamentalists (to the best of my knowledge), I challenge you to provide the rational reason his behavior is either unethical, irrational, or unwise or whatever reason you want to argue — aside from your simply not liking it because he is mocking something that you take seriously. Exactly what is wrong with Cinjin's behavior, independent of your attempt to invoke a bellwether of sympathy or unease by reminding people of the acts — the acts, mind you — of men acting and speaking similarly. The ball is in your court.
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