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Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
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Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
Christians recently yelled at muslim children that they are going to Hell unless they repent and accept Jesus and that was deemed abusive, harassing and offensive by passerby and even Republican house speaker.

So does this mean that when Christians tell their own children that they are going to hell is also abusive?

Or is it abusive only when they tell it to children that are not theirs? But then again nuns and priests tell kids that they are going to hell if they displease Jesus.

Or is just an act of yelling abusive and it's not abusive if you just tell kids that they are going to hell?



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#2
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
I've already been to Hell and back. It was called 12½ years of Catholic schools.  Dodgy
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)
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#3
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
"Coercive control" is now a crime in the UK. Telling ANYBODY, let alone a child, that they'll go to hell unless they XY and Z is clearly an attempt at coercive control by my mind and so should be illegal. A particularly striking example is where the fundies say "You have to BELIEVE or you'll go to hell" as nobody is in control of what they believe, people just believe what they perceive to be the truth.
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RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
Don't forget about the jesus cannibalism.

And christians wonder why people want to kill them.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem




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#5
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
Since hell is make-believe, I would say it's harassment, not abusive.
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#6
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
Definitely abusive and mentally scarring
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#7
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
In catechism class, I can recall one of the other students asking the Sister if people would go to hell for not believing in hell.  I've always found her reply rather neat:  'As Catholics, we are all required to believe in Hell as a place of everlasting torment.  Whether you choose to believe anyone is actually there is entirely up to you.'

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
Just imagine being muslim, where your parents tell you that you'll go to hell if you don't follow islam, then some christian comes up and says you'll go to hell if you don't change religion. Sounds like either way you're risking hell, so there's always going to be someone telling you that their god is going to toss you into a lake of fire for not sticking with the right religion.

Works the other way around too. That's how you know this hell thing is bullshit. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
(January 29, 2020 at 9:06 am)Chad32 Wrote: Just imagine being muslim, where your parents tell you that you'll go to hell if you don't follow islam, then some christian comes up and says you'll go to hell if you don't change religion. Sounds like either way you're risking hell, so there's always going to be someone telling you that their god is going to toss you into a lake of fire for not sticking with the right religion.

Works the other way around too. That's how you know this hell thing is bullshit. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

That reminds me of the old joke about the missionary telling the Aborigine about Hell.  When he's done, the native falls silent for a minute then says, 'Let me see if I've got this right.  If I don't worship your Jesus, when I die I'll go to a bad place where I'll be tortured forever and ever, is that right?'

'Precisely!' beams the missionary.

'But I only heard about Jesus today.  If I had died yesterday, would my spirit have gone to this Hell of yours?'

'Oh, no,' says the missionary. 'Jesus would understand that you've never heard of Him, and would not punish you for not knowing about Him.'

The Aborigine grits his teeth, grips his spear a little tighter and says, 'Then WHY did you tell me about him??'

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#10
RE: Telling children that they are going to hell is abusive?
The issue is that theists tend to have a backwards view of what loving means. After all, those incapable of seeing what a monster their god is will erroneously view their own actions of saving someone's soul as loving.
“The man who can't visualize a horse galloping on a tomato is an idiot.”
~ André Breton
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