(November 11, 2012 at 10:45 am)apophenia Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='361104' dateline='1352584624']
I did give examples. They were dismissed as not being 'hateful enough' so I pointed to his thread/poll "http://atheistforums.org/thread-15615.html" Where his hate/anger carries over to his own father. I can also point to his current thread/poll where he is currently defending his particular use of 'facts' that supports his title assertion that in the beginning man was stupid." In this thread he starts off discussing biblical passages, and has since turned the conversation to 'facts' he presents to support stereotypes and focused bigotry he feels is justified for the people who lived in the time, and culture that Genesis was originally written. He has even attacked the characteristics of the penis' of the men who lived in that region and time. Which is something the Nazis directly did! They did this to dehumanize the Jews. Cinny is doing the same thing.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/rim3.htm
...For what it is worth Alpo..
Quote:Please reference me to the posts claiming that his conduct was not 'hateful enough' —Do your own research. I took the time to write it the first time and if you want to argue something I wrote then YOU find it, read it and address it yourself.
That said, You did asked a legitimate question. When did I ever identify the use of Nazi style propaganda by cijin? I gave you two specific instances. I ask you to direct yourself to either or both of those two instances and address the two occurrences you have been made aware of and stop trying to introduce red herrings into the conversation.
Quote:And you've prompted me to ramble enough to see in what way you, too, are like the Nazis. The Nazis used propaganda to enlist support for questionable programs. Propaganda is typically defined as the use of an emotional appeal, to stir a person to action, in the absence of rational argument. That's exactly what you are doing: you are using the horrific reputation of the German National Socialist Party (Nazi Party) and the programs and pogroms of its leadership to dredge up an emotional response to Cinjin's "hate speech" in the absence of rational argument that, whether Nazi like or not, there are rational reasons for opposing his actions. Now since Cinjin isn't going around gassing Christians and conducting anesthesia free experiments on Fundamentalists (to the best of my knowledge), I challenge you to provide the rational reason his behavior is either unethical, irrational, or unwise or whatever reason you want to argue — aside from your simply not liking it because he is mocking something that you take seriously. Exactly what is wrong with Cinjin's behavior, independent of your attempt to invoke a bellwether of sympathy or unease by reminding people of the acts — the acts, mind you — of men acting and speaking similarly. The ball is in your court.
Actually it hit the net and bounced back. For if you took the time to research or define the term you are using You would have noticed a slight error in your assertion. Their is one Key element missing from my "Attack" (if you want to call it that) on Cinny that his 'attacks' or propaganda is not lacking:
propaganda
Noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Manipulation of information to influence public opinion. The term comes from Congregatio de Propaganda Fide (Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith), a missionary organization established by the pope in 1622. Propagandists emphasize the elements of information that support their position and deemphasize or exclude those that do not. Misleading statements and even lies may be used to create the desired effect in the public audience.
I haven't changed or manipulated anything. I have only ever pointed out where cinny has done this himself. Now you can say My efforts are LIKE propaganda because I am using information to influence public opinion, but there are many ways that preclude my efforts from being actual propaganda. Just like when I said that Cinny's efforts were LIKE Nazi Propaganda, and I list all the similarities. Ultimately though His efforts weren't Nazi Propaganda because their are many differences between What He has done and the purpose of what the Nazis did. That said they still share common threads with the Nazi efforts and his body of work can still be classified as actual propaganda.
