RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.
November 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm by Darkstar.)
(November 12, 2012 at 9:43 pm)Drich Wrote:So Yahweh isn't you god, and only Jesus, or do you mean both, as in the trinity?(November 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Missprint. I meant 'experience'. You can't see Yahweh either, or else you will die, according to the bible.You are thinking Jew God. Christian God lived as one of us. What's More Christ God lives along side and guides you in the way of the Holy Spirit. That is what you are A/S/K for according to Christ.
Exodus 33:20
Drich Wrote:Darkstar Wrote:"But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”Read your muslim artical, not the bible if you wish to repersent what they believe. their god can only be seen as a source of light. that's it.
So they see a beam of light and conclude god? That would be a pretty flimsy argument for god. Now, you mean you saw Jesus, which is where I was confused because 'god' usually refers to Yahweh.
Drich Wrote:Darkstar Wrote:...? Did you mean "that I had not imagined"? This doesn't really mean anything. If it was a dream, then you imagined it.Again I had a very tradition understanding of Hell. I knew nothing nothing else of hell than what I had always been taught. My dream/vision gave me understanding of God and of Hell I never knew before.
How do you know this 'knowledge' is anything more than a delusion? Do you have any outside sources to support the version of hell you experienced?
Drich Wrote:Darkstar Wrote:Actually not really...Again my dream/vision was not a source of proof for any of you. it was meant for me. The only reason I have shared is so you know God is willing to speak to you if you simply A/S/K as He has instructed. Then you can decide for yourself. Not on what happened to me but what God does for you.
On what grounds can you claim that a dream was actually a telepathic vision from an otherwise undetectable omnipotent being? You might as well say a space themed dream was sent by aliens. You would have no less evidence for that than you would for your dream.
You weren't really A/S/King, now were you? Why would you be bitter at something you didn't believe existed, and why would such a being [briefly] send you to hell when you were seeking him? Also, as has been noted, coming back alive from hell directly contradicts something god said at conclusion to the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
Drich Wrote:Darkstar Wrote:I'm not disageeing. I'm only saying that religious propoganda was used by the nazis to smear the Jews. I said there were other kinds of propoganda, and that religion was not necessarily the driving force, either.It's avaible. If this is your position then show me. Give me a reputiable source and not some photoshop crap.
I was going to ask you what you meant by 'photoshopped', and then I realized you meant an actual nazi propoganda poster. I wasn't trying to potray that image as a bona fide propoganda poster, I was simply showing the quote. Now, real religious propoganda looks something like this:
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.