Making the lame walk again.

[Angrboda]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the acceptance of the testimony of the Quran depend on it itself already, without evidence, being considered a miracle. If Mohammed receiving the suras and such by Angelic messenger, him flying to heaven or the moon — if all these were natural events, the Angel was just some scary homeless guy, and the vision an epileptic seizure — then this robs all other testimony in the Quran of any authority. The miracles in the Quran are deemed miracles, because somewhere along the line before that, you assigned something to the miracle category without that testimony or authority — because unless you do so, none of it has any support as truly miraculous. But note, those first miracles, those miracles that give others the status of testified miracle, are not themselves testified.

I asked Daniel the same question and got no answer. How do you go from, "I have this book," and "others say this book is holy," to, "this book is therefore definitely holy." Aside from the willingness of emotionally compromised people, whether children or adults, to accept truths if those truths lead to food, shelter, and love, regardless of the content, to embrace any truth. I'm sure it's all been said before, so I don't want to get off into a proving the Quran thread, but it seems, as is often the case, the cart is once more before the horse.

There's a similar paradox, I think, about apologetics in general. Apologists think up clever ways to rescue this or that bit of doctrine or text. Yet, they believed that segment before they had this clever argument in support of it. They believed on the basis of something else. If that something else truly was good enough to engender belief in a reasonable person, why do we need the clever ways? I suspect that if you ask them what originally convinced them of the truth of this or that passage, they either won't know, or it will be something wholly unrelated to their then present apologetic. Or it will be turtles all the way down. A miracle is testified to by the Quran, which is testified to by its own miracles, which are testified to, by what?

What is the most foundational cornerstone of your faith, Rayaan? What is the miracle upon which the belief in all the other miracles depends?