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The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman
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RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman
(November 26, 2012 at 3:01 pm)John V Wrote:
(November 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: [quote='John V' pid='366458' dateline='1353954763']
If Mark was actually written by the disciple Mark, I would believe more of the book. Not the supernatural parts, but the historical stuff would be coming from someone who was a first-hand witness. That would be a big improvement, credibility-wise.
First, if manuscripts said "written by Mark" or some such, would you accept it as actually written by Mark? Couldn't Ehrman or anyone else claim it a forgery?

Second, mark is traditionally considered to be second-hand from Peter, although some think Mark was an eyewitness to certain parts but not all of his gospel. Luke says staright out that it's being written as a history rather than a first-person account. Only Matthew and John are traditionally considered first-hand accounts, and Matthew borrows from Mark.

Peter? Traditional?

Traditionally Matthew, Mark and Luke are assumed to be written by Matthew, Mark and Luke. Catholic scholars liked Matthew --> Mark --> Luke. Protestant scholars liked Matthew --> Luke --> Mark. Most modern Biblical scholars adhere to the two-source hypothesis with Mark and an unknown Q document serving as the source for Matthew and Luke. The hypothesis where Peter and/or the Gospel of the Hebrews were written earlier then used as sources for the Synoptic Gospels is a mid 20th century invention.

Personally I like the four-source hypothesis where Mark along with Q, L and M sources are used to create Matthew and Luke.

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The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - November 26, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Chas - November 26, 2012 at 9:56 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - November 26, 2012 at 10:48 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Chas - November 26, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Annik - November 26, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - November 27, 2012 at 8:47 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Angrboda - November 27, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - November 29, 2012 at 9:24 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Angrboda - November 29, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Mister Agenda - November 29, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - December 1, 2012 at 4:34 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Angrboda - November 26, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 26, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Mister Agenda - November 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 26, 2012 at 3:01 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by popeyespappy - November 26, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Mister Agenda - November 27, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 27, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 26, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 26, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 27, 2012 at 2:38 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Annik - November 27, 2012 at 9:41 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by popeyespappy - November 27, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Chas - November 27, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Chas - November 27, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 28, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Annik - November 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 27, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 27, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Angrboda - November 28, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by John V - November 28, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Jackalope - November 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by The Grand Nudger - November 29, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by downbeatplumb - November 29, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - November 29, 2012 at 2:13 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by downbeatplumb - December 1, 2012 at 5:06 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - December 1, 2012 at 8:57 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - December 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - December 1, 2012 at 9:09 pm
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Minimalist - December 2, 2012 at 2:11 am
RE: The truth according to Bart D. Ehrman - by Aractus - December 2, 2012 at 6:14 am

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