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Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
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Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
I seriously don't get this. To make the claim that there is any truth, let alone the 'only', and absolute, undisputed truth, and yet having thousands of denominations disagreeing on every possible opinion (and justifiably so since it contradicts itself so much), how do people answer this? I've not seen a response on youtube and I don't know if a primarily atheist forum is a good place to get an answer, but I'd sure like to know. I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg really. What passages are metaphorical and which literal? And how would one tell the difference? It seems like an impossible mess. Is this just another situation where it's ignored or some really bottom-of-the-barrel-scraping answer is all we get?
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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#2
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Don't get too deep in the mental gymnastics, it is not good for health at all.


That traditional answer would be though that it is intentionally vague as a test of faith...
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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
That's a new one, the bible being intentionally vague as a test. Says a lot about the character of god if that's the answer, doesn't it? But then if you know about the Tower of Babel, he's not particularly interested in us figuring out a real unified truth at all.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(1st January 2017, 12:43)Astonished Wrote: I seriously don't get this. To make the claim that there is any truth, let alone the 'only', and absolute, undisputed truth, and yet having thousands of denominations disagreeing on every possible opinion (and justifiably so since it contradicts itself so much), how do people answer this? I've not seen a response on youtube and I don't know if a primarily atheist forum is a good place to get an answer, but I'd sure like to know. I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg really. What passages are metaphorical and which literal? And how would one tell the difference? It seems like an impossible mess. Is this just another situation where it's ignored or some really bottom-of-the-barrel-scraping answer is all we get?

And in the Christian orbit, all Christian denominations, schisms, sects, and spinoffs are religions about Jesus. The religion of Jesus should be the brass ring, so to speak for which all those branches of Christianity should be aspiring to, yet none even acknowledge that simple goal as desirous in the least as furtherance of their service to the Lord.
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the belief that seven nails were used to crucify Jesus Christ; three on Maundy Thursday, and four on Good Friday


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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Quote:how do people answer this?

The say:  "I'm right and they are wrong."  Problem solved for the jesus freaks.

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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Sincerely have to wonder how someone can look at that mentality objectively and not see how that's a bad thing. Irrespective of the contents of the beliefs therein, that's just an extremely unhealthy way of thinking.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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#7
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
Xtians are hardly unique.

Sunni and Shi'a muslims joyously blow themselves up because of something that happened 1300 years ago.  I mean, give it up already.

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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(1st January 2017, 13:35)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians are hardly unique.

Sunni and Shi'a muslims joyously blow themselves up because of something that happened 1300 years ago.  I mean, give it up already.

You mean because of something someone claimed happened 1300 years ago. Tongue
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#9
RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
As wacky as much of scripture is, it also contains safeguards to shield believers against anything remotely resembling reason. That safeguard is faith.

For we walk by faith not be sight. Once you get people to believe that faith is a virtue you will never run out of fools.

And once xtians put their faith in a charismatic preacher any scripture that agrees with what he says will be taken literally, while scripture that disagrees will be taken as metaphor. To think otherwise is to lose faith and risk hellfire.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Truth in a story which is entirely dependent upon subjective interpretation
(1st January 2017, 13:39)Astonished Wrote:
(1st January 2017, 13:35)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians are hardly unique.

Sunni and Shi'a muslims joyously blow themselves up because of something that happened 1300 years ago.  I mean, give it up already.

You mean because of something someone claimed happened 1300 years ago. Tongue

No, no.  There was a power struggle between two groups of scumbags each claiming to be the rightful caliph because of their holy horseshit.  Hardly matters now.  They are all dead and there is no caliph anymore.

That's why it seems stupid to kill each other over it.

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