RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 26, 2012 at 5:27 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2012 at 5:31 pm by Drich.)
(November 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, not really. That might be all that matters to a person committed to excusing a tyrant regardless of their actions...but thankfully that isn't "all that's important" by anyone else's measure.Again what does "anyone else's measure" truly matter at the final judgement? If you do not have the power or authority to enforce what you 'think' to be right, then labling something or someone as evil or tyrannical is pointless. I think I have used this illustation before, but here it is again anyways:
If you had upaid traffic tickets and were called before a judge, and he told you to pay the tickets or your license would be taken away, then EVEN If you found that judge to be 'evil or tryanical' your options remain the same, for you have absolutly no authority to make the judgement you made and have it mean anything. In that traffic court You are without position authority or power before the judge, the same is true in court of God. so to judge Him as anything than what He has judged Himself to be is futile. For even if you could judge God as evil, ultimatly what can you do about it? What standard would you use? Your personal idea of morality? Again who are you and why do you think it will matter?
Quote:There are plenty of places on this earth where a truly heinous person can be convicted of something despite the system being incapable of following through with a sentence. Whether or not it's within the power of the judging body to act upon that judgement very little to do with the accuracy of the judgement itself.

Quote:Things don't become "okay" because any given group is incapable of acting. Your god would fall into this category if it existed. A criminal entity which we are wholly incapable of punishing regardless of how damning the indictment or how sound the evidence the prosecution presents. This would make the situation worse, not better. The only thing salvaging this whole silly affair is that your god doesn't exist, so there isn't some cosmically powerful psychopath running around doing horrible shit to people over millenia immune from any responsibility for or consequence of their actions.You really do not understand what is being discussed here do you?
You are speaking as if 'we' had ANY claim or authority to justify our own actions. Does a slave have the ablity to judge his master? Again if you judge God to be Evil what standard do you use? How is this any different than telling the traffic court judge that he is out of order for making you pay your fines?
Bottom line is that if a proud man is found guilty in a court then the proud man will not want to recognize the courts authority and will say or do anything to try and dismiss the authority held over him. The problem for the guilty is (just as any life-ers) The Courts have offical standing and that means they have authority over men even if they do not want to recognize that authority. The Same is true with God. Meaning even if you want to find God 'guilty' the 'guilt' or sin by your personal standard means little to nothing, to anyone but you in the end Your fate will be whatever God judges it to be.
Quote:The world might be a shitty place sometimes, but it's not quite -that- shitty.Remember in this discussion we are not talking about the 'world' as you know it.
(November 26, 2012 at 4:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So then you seem to be screwed because the biggest club right now is Islam, so in order to win you have to align yourself with Allah because he is the only one that can affect change on your behalf.

Quote:What? That's silly you say? NO SHIT, just as silly as any omni god claimed in human history, including your pet fictional super hero.What are you talking about?
Quote:So all you are advocating just like all religious people is being a gang minion.No, Followers of God submit themselves as slaves, but are welcomed as sons. No idea what you are talking about 'gangs.'
Quote:But, what does make sense is that humans love making up bullshit like Thor and Isis and Apolo and Vishnu, and Allah and Yahweh and magic baby Jesus, and all of you want to be part of something special. But the truth is that the universe was around before human invented bullshit and will continu with no record of any of us.So why not just opt out early?
what is the reason anyone would want to stick around?