RE: How the Hypocrite Leftwing Argues
December 11, 2012 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2012 at 10:42 am by Darth.)
It seems to me that having government define what marriage is or isn't is a spectacularly bad idea (and raises all sorts of freedom of religion and equal treatment under the law concerns).
Why not advocate for getting government's claws out of the whole thing, and let individuals, and individual churches and religions, decide for themselves? If you want a marriage in a "one man one woman" only church, go for it. And when other's who don't fit that tell you that they are married, feel free to roll your eyes, say "yeah married", try to explain how it's not real marriage, how it's not in accordance with your religion, how god doesn't recognise it, or talk to them however you wish*. And that would be yours, and your religion's, view of it (in your view, fact), and your right to say so. And you can sleep well at night, knowing nobody's liberty is infringed upon, and that they are deluded or whatever as must you already do, because lets not kid ourselves that people aren't already having ceremonies, the issue is the government recognition and unequal treatment under the law (discrimination). That the government says something is or isn't appropriate according to God should be absolutely irrelevant, would you trust politicians to get that right? Surely it's what God says that matters?
You can have limited government, or you can have less limited government, as enforcing and promoting these 'traditional values' is yet more laws written that needn't have been written, and the more you want to promote and enforce these values, the more it is going to cost (and of course they will waste a spectacular amount of it, even if you don't view the entire effort as a waste). But you shouldn't do that! "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." (Jefferson). It works both ways. Your money shouldn't be spent on recognising marriages you believe are false, but nor should theirs! (and some people will already not be recognising yours and your faith's as legitimate, as you are not of their faith) The only way to achieve this would be for government to get out of all religious affairs. For those for whom marriage is a religious affair, what part of your religion could be more important? Why should government be anywhere near it? Do you really want a governmental seal of approval for your incredibly special, religious ceremony where you commit yourself to the woman you love?
*Now of course I have my own views on how gay people should be treated and such, I recognise their love as legitimate and beautiful and their right to marry, and I recognise their marriages and unions as legitimate. The fact that our governments treat people unequally, that they are involved in religious events involving consenting adults, scares me, and makes me sick. I don't see governments getting out of religion any time soon, the next best option is to treat all religions equally (and people with no religion of course) so long as it involves consenting adults, to do otherwise is fundamentally wrong.
Why not advocate for getting government's claws out of the whole thing, and let individuals, and individual churches and religions, decide for themselves? If you want a marriage in a "one man one woman" only church, go for it. And when other's who don't fit that tell you that they are married, feel free to roll your eyes, say "yeah married", try to explain how it's not real marriage, how it's not in accordance with your religion, how god doesn't recognise it, or talk to them however you wish*. And that would be yours, and your religion's, view of it (in your view, fact), and your right to say so. And you can sleep well at night, knowing nobody's liberty is infringed upon, and that they are deluded or whatever as must you already do, because lets not kid ourselves that people aren't already having ceremonies, the issue is the government recognition and unequal treatment under the law (discrimination). That the government says something is or isn't appropriate according to God should be absolutely irrelevant, would you trust politicians to get that right? Surely it's what God says that matters?
You can have limited government, or you can have less limited government, as enforcing and promoting these 'traditional values' is yet more laws written that needn't have been written, and the more you want to promote and enforce these values, the more it is going to cost (and of course they will waste a spectacular amount of it, even if you don't view the entire effort as a waste). But you shouldn't do that! "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." (Jefferson). It works both ways. Your money shouldn't be spent on recognising marriages you believe are false, but nor should theirs! (and some people will already not be recognising yours and your faith's as legitimate, as you are not of their faith) The only way to achieve this would be for government to get out of all religious affairs. For those for whom marriage is a religious affair, what part of your religion could be more important? Why should government be anywhere near it? Do you really want a governmental seal of approval for your incredibly special, religious ceremony where you commit yourself to the woman you love?
*Now of course I have my own views on how gay people should be treated and such, I recognise their love as legitimate and beautiful and their right to marry, and I recognise their marriages and unions as legitimate. The fact that our governments treat people unequally, that they are involved in religious events involving consenting adults, scares me, and makes me sick. I don't see governments getting out of religion any time soon, the next best option is to treat all religions equally (and people with no religion of course) so long as it involves consenting adults, to do otherwise is fundamentally wrong.
Nemo me impune lacessit.
