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Atheists Wager
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RE: Atheists Wager
(December 11, 2012 at 9:05 am)LastPoet Wrote: Clive really wants his god to be the staple of morality Tongue

At any rate, these "wagers" don't really have an impact on the real world. Most people don't know what Pascal's wager is, let alone this "atheist wager". I put quotes on that because atheism does not provide any morality standards, its just the refusal of that magical being some people are poised to believe.

Oh, no, that's not what I'm getting at. I don't think that morality is a subset of theology--that is, that the only way to get to objective moral values is by way of theism.

Maybe that's true, and maybe it isn't--I am strongly inclined to think that it is false--but it's not what I'm getting at.


The point I'm making is that you can't get an "ought" (prescriptive values) from an "is" (understanding the physical states of the universe). Science doesn't get you to morality. No less an atheist than David Hume argued the same.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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Atheists Wager - by Gooders1002 - December 11, 2012 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 7:39 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Gooders1002 - December 11, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Gooders1002 - December 11, 2012 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 8:34 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Gooders1002 - December 11, 2012 at 9:00 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 11, 2012 at 9:02 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Gooders1002 - December 11, 2012 at 9:12 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by downbeatplumb - December 11, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Napoléon - December 11, 2012 at 11:12 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by pgrimes15 - December 11, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Norfolk And Chance - December 12, 2012 at 7:10 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 12, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Norfolk And Chance - December 12, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Mister Agenda - December 11, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - December 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Cyberman - December 11, 2012 at 7:54 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by LastPoet - December 11, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by CliveStaples - December 12, 2012 at 4:19 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Ben Davis - December 12, 2012 at 8:42 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by LastPoet - December 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Cyberman - December 11, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Ben Davis - December 11, 2012 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by Cyberman - December 11, 2012 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheists Wager - by John V - December 11, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by John V - December 11, 2012 at 5:49 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Minimalist - December 12, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Ryantology - December 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Atheists Wager - by Creed of Heresy - December 13, 2012 at 3:58 am

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