Atheists Wager

[CliveStaples]

Ooooh, I know what. Let's have god, as a judge. We are mere humans and as "good" and "bad" are mere concepts that mean different things to different people, then you need an ultimate authority above all people to decide. Therefore god is real.

Am I getting warm as to where you are headed?

One small problem - there is no way to contact this authority for answers as to what is good or bad, so he's a fat lot of fucking use isn't he? There's nothing in the bible about where pumping the atmosphere full of co2 is "good" or "bad" for example, and that leaves us to examine the evidence and leaves the good/bad decision squarely on our own shoulders. As ever.

Take your meaningless, invisible, uncontactable judge and fuck off, thanks

I didn't say anything about a "meaningless, invisible, uncontactable judge". Are you going to criticize anything I actually said, or just keep tilting at strawmen?

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Sorry to derail but... not this again! I hate this attempt at limiting the power of the scientific method because it's intellectually dishonest given our current understanding of how humans make judgements.

The best way to get to an 'ought' is from an 'is'. We know this instinctively and practice it's application every day.

Can you go into more detail? You're not really giving me any reasons to think that your claim is true, other than you simply making the claim.