RE: While We're At It.....
December 15, 2012 at 2:02 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2012 at 2:10 pm by LastPoet.)
(December 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm)A Theist Wrote: You guys are doing a good job of tap dancing around the topic of this thread....let's try this again, (or are you guys being selective on regulating things that only fit within a certain political agenda)....
Besides the rather odd comparision, I just wanted to state my opinion on the gun issue, since its the first term in said comparision. As to political agenda, I have none regarding your country, only stated my opinion, I'm mature enough to admit that political affairs from a country a few thousand kilometers away from mine aren't really my speciality.
Quote:"Its not about forbidding completely guns A Theist, its about better regulation."...okay, (even though there are those who advocate banning guns altogether), let's scratch the word "ban" for "regulate"...I'm talking about regulating the use and purchasing and selling of alcohol....Alcohol related deaths kill more people in America than all the deaths by drugs and guns combined, (alcohol related deaths to include homicides, suicides, traffic fatalities, domestic violence, alcohol related diseases, mental health, etc.)....Alcohol use is proven to be far more deadly than guns or drugs....if you're going to jump on the wagon to "better" regulate guns, why not jump on to better regulate the purchasing and selling of alcohol since it's proven to be far more deadly in our society?....
You are comparing several different things: guns, alcohol & drugs. I will try to make it clear, so bear with me if I don't.
Alcohol & drug abuse primarily do harm to the person itself and although in many cases third persons can get harmed by it, no one does so with criminal intent to harm others. That is why for example a person that kills another as a result of DUI is charged with manslaughter.
Gun abuse on the other hand, barring accidents that can be minimized by regulation (mandatory education on gun handling & storage), are the result of criminal intent for the simple reason that, guns to all effects are made to be used to injure (at least) its target. That is why if one kills someone else with a gun, one is charged minimally with 2nd degree murder.
That is why your comparision is silly, you are grasping to some warped idea that somehow it is inconsistent to regulate gun usage when alcohol does more harm. I hope I made it clear enough.
(December 15, 2012 at 1:37 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Ever heard of drunk drivers causing massive pile-ups and causing the deaths of multiple people involved? Yeah, me too.
No false equivocation when you look at it that way.
Yeah, but even on those cases, unless proven that the person thought of causing such a massive pile-up before drinking and just used alcohol to "gain courage", it would still be manslaughter (or several counts of it).
