Burden of Proof

[The Grand Nudger]

So if he had not been there and others like him how would you have learned about qualities in yourself like tolerance and patience and decision making if they are never tested?

I didn;t learn anything about myself, let alone about the qualities you listed from John...lol. None of that has anything to do with the thrust of our discussion or purpose of my recounting the tale either. However interesting he may have been, whatever I may have learned about myself, neither had the ability to make his claim of being the king of the dumpster any more compelling (or demonstrate that it was true).

Logic, logic, logic i'm going to listen to the music not count the notes and discuss the bars and movements. Then I will make my decision if I like what I hear. I understand there is uncertainty inherent in my position but that's why I call it a faith and I can live with that.

What is it that you think you are "listening to"? You -are- listening to the notes, the bars, and the movement. In the same way that all of this simply describes music in a way that we can communicate to each other, logic describes thought in a way that we can communicate to each other. No, not uncertainty inherent Mark, you aren't getting me, the situation is much more dire........ no measure of certainty possible, nothing but uncertainty, you will be incapable of demonstrating that any conclusion is true -even if it is-.