Leo , regarding your first point (of which I hope I understood correctly)- : 'it is still very possible for components of that "irreducible complex" device to serve and work in different functions': Miller says this of the flagellum: 'By the logic of irreducible complexity, these individual components should have no function until all 30 are put into place, at which point the function of motility appears'
The article I've found discussing this says:
'This is a false deduction from Irreducible Complexity. IC does not forbid subsets of components of molecular machines being utilised in other molecular machines. IC simply asserts that there are multiple interacting components, the individual parts of which have no independent function.'
(http://www.idnet.com.au/files/pdf/Miller...Design.PDF)
Do you accept this point?
Regarding the mouse trap example, you can indeed find a 'different' use for the separate parts of the mouse trap, but by taking one part away you will no longer have a mouse trap. Do you accept this? If you take the base away you would still need to utilise a surface of some kind ie the floor, in order for it to function. I think that using a non living thing is probably not a good idea so we've got to head into complex territory of which I will possibly struggle and this is where I need your feedback. I'd already watched the youtube video you included, about four months ago and I found an article refuting Miller in that lecture. I will come back to you and Adrian, regarding the flagellar motor very soon.
regards Catherine[/size]
The article I've found discussing this says:
'This is a false deduction from Irreducible Complexity. IC does not forbid subsets of components of molecular machines being utilised in other molecular machines. IC simply asserts that there are multiple interacting components, the individual parts of which have no independent function.'
(http://www.idnet.com.au/files/pdf/Miller...Design.PDF)
Do you accept this point?
Regarding the mouse trap example, you can indeed find a 'different' use for the separate parts of the mouse trap, but by taking one part away you will no longer have a mouse trap. Do you accept this? If you take the base away you would still need to utilise a surface of some kind ie the floor, in order for it to function. I think that using a non living thing is probably not a good idea so we've got to head into complex territory of which I will possibly struggle and this is where I need your feedback. I'd already watched the youtube video you included, about four months ago and I found an article refuting Miller in that lecture. I will come back to you and Adrian, regarding the flagellar motor very soon.
regards Catherine[/size]
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