(January 15, 2013 at 12:04 pm)John V Wrote: Slipping it into a conversation on omnipotence, not into the Bible. Omniscience and omnipresence are IMO better supported Biblically than omnipotence.
Sticking to omnipotence, what do you think of this verse?
Matthew 26
39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
That Jesus says "if it be possible" indicates that there are some things impossible even for God, and so your definition of omnipotence differs from the Bible's (although as noted that's really almighty) and you're shown to be arguing against a straw man.
Except that I was going from your definition, and you had no problem saying that god was almighty and all powerful. The omniscience thing is necessary for your god, even if you're willing to play semantic games with his powers to try and avoid talking about the natural consequences of his omnipotence.
And hell, for all we know, Jesus was saying "if it be possible" because even being the son of god doesn't absolve you from needing to abase oneself utterly in order to get him to do stuff for you. God kind of has a habit of screwing people over, including, as we'll later see, Jesus. Maybe the guy just has some insider knowledge about how his father works.
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