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"Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
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"Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
What if people who have hate for others who dont do them anything wrong "Though debatable sometimes, i would be offended by cannibalism".
But you get my drift.

Point is what if irrational hatred for others who dont interfere in your personal life, what if that is a sin?
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
Religious people hate other people who don't do them harm because they are not humanists. We take these principles for granted today because Western societies are built on humanistic principles that are based on compassion and the principle that there isn't anything wrong with doing something if that doesn't harm others. And it took centuries for people to come to that realization.

But, as I said, religious people hold to the commands from their religious books, like "kill people of other religions" or "kill gays", and that is why religion doesn't offer any morality. All that religion does is say "this is bad because God says so" without giving any explanation - making it taboo (and not morality).
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
(September 3, 2022 at 10:17 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Religious people hate other people who don't do them harm because they are not humanists. We take these principles for granted today because Western societies are built on humanistic principles that are based on compassion and the principle that there isn't anything wrong with doing something if that doesn't harm others. And it took centuries for people to come to that realization.

But, as I said, religious people hold to the commands from their religious books, like "kill people of other religions" or "kill gays", and that is why religion doesn't offer any morality. All that religion does is say "this is bad because God says so" without giving any explanation - making it taboo (and not morality).

Abrahamic ones atleast have a tendency to rely much on autocratic notion of society that is about purely focus on devotion (or atleast traditional Christianity and Sunni islam for one reason). It explains why their idea of heaven is not to focus so much on this world, aka math, science, education, helping next generation of people to advance, only ok if it is for the sake of God and not what they will subjectively deem as vanity. Because why should you if you can just hang out with a personal God and all that? Protestant Christianity, i will give credit they did atleast develop a work culture, i assume its due to not relying on church traditions like catholics did. So it was easier to overall accept intellectuals during Martin Luther days, as compared to having absolute control of what was ok and what is a no no. Despite how fundamentalists is a problem in this day and age with politics and such

Apparently Buddhism has a thing where math seems to be encouraged by Buddha himself. Or i had some talk on it in math class yesterday
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
Protestant work culture is and has always been a myth - but so is the rosy picture of export buddhism...so....

The intellectualism you think was easier to accept, was largely a product of the christians eradicating each others power base in the war between catholicism and protestantism. A similar political issue forced the creation of western buddhism in it's struggle to remain in power in the face of the chinese state.
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
(September 3, 2022 at 5:38 pm)Woah0 Wrote: What if people who have hate for others who dont do them anything wrong "Though debatable sometimes, i would be offended by cannibalism".
But you get my drift.

Point is what if irrational hatred for others who dont interfere in your personal life, what if that is a sin?

You're not supposed to take the second bit as an instruction, or a guideline, but as something to point at when called out for hatred.
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
(September 6, 2022 at 2:26 am)Woah0 Wrote:
(September 3, 2022 at 10:17 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Religious people hate other people who don't do them harm because they are not humanists. We take these principles for granted today because Western societies are built on humanistic principles that are based on compassion and the principle that there isn't anything wrong with doing something if that doesn't harm others. And it took centuries for people to come to that realization.

But, as I said, religious people hold to the commands from their religious books, like "kill people of other religions" or "kill gays", and that is why religion doesn't offer any morality. All that religion does is say "this is bad because God says so" without giving any explanation - making it taboo (and not morality).

Abrahamic ones atleast have a tendency to rely much on autocratic notion of society that is about purely focus on devotion (or atleast traditional Christianity and Sunni islam for one reason). It explains why their idea of heaven is not to focus so much on this world, aka math, science, education, helping next generation of people to advance, only ok if it is for the sake of God and not what they will subjectively deem as vanity. Because why should you if you can just hang out with a personal God and all that? Protestant Christianity, i will give credit they did atleast develop a work culture, i assume its due to not relying on church traditions like catholics did. So it was easier to overall accept intellectuals during Martin Luther days, as compared to having absolute control of what was ok and what is a no no. Despite how fundamentalists is a problem in this day and age with politics and such

Apparently Buddhism has a thing where math seems to be encouraged by Buddha himself. Or i had some talk on it in math class yesterday

Protestant work ethic is largely a myth.
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RE: "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a logical fallacy
(September 3, 2022 at 5:38 pm)Woah0 Wrote: What if people who have hate for others who dont do them anything wrong "Though debatable sometimes, i would be offended by cannibalism".
But you get my drift.

Point is what if irrational hatred for others who dont interfere in your personal life, what if that is a sin?

Christians have a number of different ways of defining what sin is. It's a religion with a lot of diversity. 

If we take the definition used by Aquinas and Dante, mostly adapted from Aristotle, it's easy to see why irrationally hating someone would be a sin.

For these Christians, our goal is to aim toward the Good, which is God. Aiming toward the Good is always what's in our own best interest. 

To hate someone irrationally would cause your rational thought to be deformed and would hurt yourself. For example, you might obsess unnecessarily over that person and make yourself miserable. You might devote energy to hating that person which you ought to be using in some other way. You might even attack that person, although he has never harmed you, and get yourself in trouble. 

If we encounter someone bad, we should dislike that person for the things, and to the degree, that it is rational. Going beyond that and becoming irrational is a sin because it deranges our proper rational thinking.
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