(January 18, 2013 at 8:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: One that doesn't apply you jerk.
This is another one of those situations where you're required to actually tell me why my definition doesn't apply, but yet again you've vastly overplayed the importance of your own opinion. You see, I don't actually care what you think, on its own. Your opinions, without anything to back them up, are just that: opinions. And since the strongest thing you've been able to do is resort to name calling... I'm not particularly compelled to give them credence.
Once again, I am not the one attributing omnipotence to your god, Christians are. Pointing out the logical inconsistencies such a god would have is not the same as making a positive claim. The claim is someone else's, I am merely showing you why it doesn't work.
If we are to use your (oversimplified, exaggerated) version of what a claim is, then where is your proof that my claim requires proof to be effective? Because if you can't provide any, then I find your claim about my "claim" to be as weak as the weakest Christian apologetics...
Quote:Your judgment aside, yes, mainstream Christianity presents God as unable to sin by definition. Using the simplistic definition of omnipotence of the OP, God is not omnipotent. Therefore, when mainstream Christians say god is omnipotent, they apparently have a different, more nuanced definition of omnipotence in mind.
I guess that depends on whether you count the action as a sin or not. Because evidently, god can commit sinful actions with impunity, it's just that he insists they aren't sinful and you guys believe him. So either god is lying to a credulous audience about that, or he's omnipotent to the point where he can change the definition of sin for his own actions. Either way is fine, though I'd personally go with the former, since to me at least, murder is an evil act regardless of whether or not god is cool with it.
You can call my definition of omnipotence literal and maybe you'd have a case, but it's only simplistic by dint of being a simple word. To be omnipotent means to have unlimited power.
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