RE: What the hell is "hell"? why do humans go to hell ?
January 21, 2013 at 2:01 am
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2013 at 2:02 am by Cyberman.)
Apologies for throwing this thread into reverse for a moment, I failed to give this post the proper consideration and I really want to address it before we go much further. I allowed myself to become misled by the lack of proper quoting, which I will fix for this purpose, thus I only responded to the last part.
As I alluded to in my post to which you responded, I think such a concept, however it is imagined, is the very definition of unfair. A chosen minority, in some definitions predetermined, gets the golden prize of eternal paradise while the overwhelming majority of humans who ever lived and who ever will live are condemned, or at least excluded even from consideration, merely on the basis of who believes and who doesn't? How can that not be unfair?
Let me put it another way. If I were to call someone a worthless, subhuman piece of scum who should crawl away somewhere and die, I'd rightly be considered an arsehole at the very least. However, if I were to tell that person that I think they deserve to go to Hell, what then? My opinion of them in both cases would be the same, to all intents and purposes.
Actually that was the point at which I stopped typing. I don't know what you may think you read between my post and yours but I promise you it wasn't from me. Remember when I asked you to quit building strawmen? This is the sort of thing I had in mind.
In any case, I never even mentioned evolution up to this point; not least because I can differentiate between the actual scientific disciplines involved, as well as having a basic yet workable understanding of what they mean.
Okay, thread derail over. Until we meet again.
(January 20, 2013 at 10:26 pm)AtlasS Wrote:(January 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well, it was you who opened on a broad note, channeling "many religious people (if not even all)". I offered the official xtian perspective.
and, do you think that perspective is just, or totally unfair ? you missed my whole point. The explanations of hell are always related to a big prison filled with fire. It's not like that, it's not a mere whole of torture in a dictatorial way. now, read that part in my topic again to get what I'm saying.
As I alluded to in my post to which you responded, I think such a concept, however it is imagined, is the very definition of unfair. A chosen minority, in some definitions predetermined, gets the golden prize of eternal paradise while the overwhelming majority of humans who ever lived and who ever will live are condemned, or at least excluded even from consideration, merely on the basis of who believes and who doesn't? How can that not be unfair?
Let me put it another way. If I were to call someone a worthless, subhuman piece of scum who should crawl away somewhere and die, I'd rightly be considered an arsehole at the very least. However, if I were to tell that person that I think they deserve to go to Hell, what then? My opinion of them in both cases would be the same, to all intents and purposes.
(January 20, 2013 at 10:26 pm)AtlasS Wrote:(January 20, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I count at least five egregious errors in those two sentences alone.
of course.. and then you give me another perspective of evolution. Just a common atheist overlap to show that your opposing person is ignorant or stupid. In the end it will only conclude what I just said.
Actually that was the point at which I stopped typing. I don't know what you may think you read between my post and yours but I promise you it wasn't from me. Remember when I asked you to quit building strawmen? This is the sort of thing I had in mind.
In any case, I never even mentioned evolution up to this point; not least because I can differentiate between the actual scientific disciplines involved, as well as having a basic yet workable understanding of what they mean.
Okay, thread derail over. Until we meet again.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
