RE: Muslim Jesus: Great Prophet?
January 21, 2013 at 3:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm by WinterHold.)
(January 21, 2013 at 3:14 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(January 21, 2013 at 2:47 pm)AtlasS Wrote: The basic message that all prophets were teaching, is the perfection of god, nobody else is to be worshipped, anything but god is unworthy of worshipping.
So were these new teachings or rehashings of old ones?
If new, then the Muslim Jesus failed since he's credited with the opposite message (that he is the intercessor).
If old, then what does "great" mean?
Quote:About the other teachings, nobody knows exactly.
Interesting admission. So why doesn't anyone know exactly? Is this also a failure on Jesus' part?
they were new teachings. That's why the jews were mad. I -personally- believe that jesus might've completed the message with all the teachings, and the responsibility to keep them fell on the monks.
A prophet actually cannot fail, because it's all about the people. If they believed or didn't, god will give the prophet his paycheck ->heaven.
He failed to continue due to jewish intervention (even the bible mentions how the jews convinced the romans to kill jesus), that if we followed the theory of the incomplete message.
so jesus didn't fail, as an individual he passed the test.
yet, the people around him, who refused to believed, were damned (the dark ages is one of the examples of that damnation).
about the other teachings, they were lost. The quran described how the monks changed the bible, bit by bit, in order to increase their budget , for example, putting a new religious worshipping type, called the pilgrimage to monks' shrines, which include paying gold to monks to "cure sickness" with the will of jesus christ.
obviously, the changing of the bible brought gold to the church.
that's why nobody knows what the teachings of jesus were. They are all changed.
(January 21, 2013 at 3:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Atheists also think that their believe is right
It is not a belief, my friend.
There is no evidence supporting the existence of ANY god. Find some and I'll reconsider my position.
In the meantime I consider theists to be superstitious assholes who uncritically accept whatever some guy in a funny hat tells them.
As I always though, looking into details & studying natural system is itself a proof.
Scientists cracked the code of electricity, that's how they were able to understand it & manipulate it. That code itself proves creation.
It's just a matter of deep thinking, when you think for real, based on science, the evidence is everywhere.
Quote:For while comets move in very eccentric orbs in all manner of positions, blind fate could never make all the planets move one and the same way in orbs concentric, some inconsiderable irregularities excepted which may have arisen from the mutual actions of comets and planets on one another, and which will be apt to increase, till this system wants a reformation.
Issac Newton
