Muslim Jesus: Great Prophet?

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For while comets move in very eccentric orbs in all manner of positions, blind fate could never make all the planets move one and the same way in orbs concentric, some inconsiderable irregularities excepted which may have arisen from the mutual actions of comets and planets on one another, and which will be apt to increase, till this system wants a reformation.

Issac Newton

As in mathematics, so in natural philosophy, the investigation of difficult things by the method of analysis, ought ever to precede the method of composition. This analysis consists in making experiments and observations, and in drawing general conclusions from them by induction and admitting of no objections against the conclusions, but such as are taken from experiments, or other certain truths. For hypotheses are not to be regarded in experimental philosophy. And although the arguing from experiments and observations by induction be no demonstration of general conclusions; yet it is the best way of arguing which the nature of things admits of, and may be looked upon as so much the stronger, by how much the induction is more general. And if no exception occur from phenomena, the conclusion may be pronounced generally. But if at any time afterwards any exception shall occur from experiments, it may then begin to be pronounced with such exceptions as occur. By this way of analysis we may proceed from compounds to ingredients, and from motions to the forces producing them; and in general, from effects to their causes, and from particular causes to more general ones, till the argument ends in the most general. This is the method of analysis: And the synthesis consists in assuming the causes discovered, and established as principles, and by them explaining the phenomena proceeding from them, and proving the explanations.

Isaac Newton, two pages later.

Newton wasn't contradicting himself. The method of analysis has already been done on the natural system around us.

All creations share basic features, we knew they were shared after (the experiments & observations ). We know that any substance (including the human) must be a composition of different minerals, this is showing in any physical thing around you (considering gas a physical thing).

Mathematically, the alignment of planets is almost parallel in each planet (I mean the way they move, certain steps can be carried away to identify the movement), which indicates a mutual design, know how to calculate the movement of any planet, you'll calculate anything else that moves & rotates.

The movement of physical objects itself indicates a design.

Believe me, newton wasn't kidding himself : )

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It depends on how one defines Dark Ages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

The guy down there is wondering why they were called dark ?
The fall of rome itself, was consisted of too many factors (the same page you gave me), which indicates a very very hard age, unlike any other, full with disease, death & wars.

Europe was crumbling since that time, that's why history doesn't record any battle between them & muslims. And still, those years weren't dark for europe ?

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I don't recall anything in the Bible which teaches that Christians should venerate what they regard as Holy Relics or pay priests for indulgencies. There's also the problems caused by conflicting theology. This isn't to say that the Bible has never been changed for political purposes because there is evidence that it has been.

The concept of a person being a saint, capable of curing disease and sickness by mere touch, this theme is always there in the bible.

This itself is a change in the message, because as I told you : the main message is worshiping god, pray for god, nobody else.
But christianity allowed that for saints.

Why are Muslims 100% sure that nothing in the quran has ever been changed over 1300 years?

Ancient versions of the quran were found ; no contradiction with that we have today.

BTW, do you know that the arabic grammar is like a lie detector ? if something is made up, the grammar experts would fetch it up.

The quran is flawless, grammatically , nothing is like it (studied it for years,from a grammatical pov). It's almost impossible to forge that.

And still, evidence proves that ancient qurans are the same as the one we have.

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they were new teachings. That's why the jews were mad. I -personally- believe that jesus might've completed the message with all the teachings, and the responsibility to keep them fell on the monks.

The historical re-write is mind-boggling.

Actually, what allegedly made the Jews mad according to Christian folklore (about as reliable as Muslim folklore) and, more dependably, the theological differences between Chrsitianity and Judaism that cause Jews then and today to reject the teachings of Jesus, is precisely the same reasons you suggest that Muslims reject Christianity. It's the opposite of what your folklore claims.

The Jews reject Christianity because it breaks with Jewish monotheism and places Jesus not just as the Son of God but as a required intercessor, something wholly blasphemous to the god of the OT.

There is absolutely no reason to even speculate that the Jews were angry because Jesus was teaching a message of monotheism or that a new prophet would be coming along soon. These are teachings quite consistent with Jewish theology and OT precedent.

A prophet actually cannot fail,

Then a prophet cannot be "great".

It's a simple rule: if anybody can do it and the task is effortless, nobody can be considered "great" by doing it.

A big difference comes in this theory, when the idea of the "messiah" is presented. Jesus was (as far as I know) believed to be coming by the jews, they refused him.

The christians also had predicted the coming of mohammad (one the verses states that, it's real stuff, but I can't recall the verse, I shall search for it again).

You see, it's not the same, with this idea presented, they knew, and denied.

And don't forget : the reason for jesus's coming, is the corruption of the jewish religion.

About great prophets. No, it is not effortless.

Mohammad was stoned, beaten, made fun of, they tortured his companions for years & years.

The consequences of being a prophet, is simply forgetting your old life, and go out facing nations by your own.. people tend to forget that.

You can be killed. You can be tortured. and of course, you might sin.
Jonah, one the prophets mentioned in Islam, has sinned.

Mohammad is of course better than Jonah.

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So the people had failed jesus, result ? group of bandits invade rome & set it on fire.

Dark ages hit europe

Devastating climate changes, leading to plagues & sickness.
The result, is a super torment that fell on rome (especially), for what they did to jesus..

I think that those davestating event are the main reason for the early islamic victories over rome .

Rome thrived and flourished for two centuries after Jesus blew through like a beer fart. The empire's greatest territorial span came in the second century C.E.

What happened next? Constantine came along, converted to Christianity to make better killers out of his soldiers, and forced the entire empire to convert.

A little more than a century later, the Roman Empire went virtually extinct.

Your choice of words is astonishing.
The fall of rome was due to factors, all of them didn't start until the end of jesus's story.

Read about it, it's all in wikipeida.

And rome ? even the eastern empire got attacked by plagues just a short time before Mohammad comes ( According to scholars, one of the main reasons for islam victory, the eastern roman empire suffered millions of casualties from the plague ).