(January 21, 2013 at 9:31 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(January 21, 2013 at 9:08 pm)AtlasS Wrote: It wasn't taken out of context, taken the variability of the context itself, which christians change with each interpretation. So my proverbial butt is a little bit out of range, since christians themselves are not sure. I shall use their same claim : translation failure .
I hate to advocate Christian bullshit but theirs is at least internally consistent bullshit.
The Christian "interpretation" of that verse is because that's what it was. The context of the Gospel of John followed up by the Book of Acts spells out the arrival of The Holy Spirit at the Pentecost. The Islamic interpretation only works for those who have not read the Bible.
Quote:You have a major flow in understanding what the heck destiny, punishment, winning & losing means in islam.
I don't want to get side-tracked into a discussion that my understanding is based on reality (the natural world) and yours is based on fantasy (Heaven and Hell). We're talking about the internal inconsistency in your own story. Don't change the subject.
Hmm, good point.
Thanks, I didn't consider the "seyaq", which is one the most important factors in interpreting holly books, specially in arabic.
"Seyaq" is an arabic word means what you just said : a certain verse is meaningless without it's pre-verses. Stupid mistake from my side.
About the side-tracking, Nope, that wasn't wrong.
To debate a certain religion, you need to see how its people think. In details.
I don't believe in fantasy, because 1000 years ago, the idea of bacteria & viruses was a fantasy, the idea of flying was a fantasy, who knows what the scientists are going to find out tomorrow ?
What you call fantasy might be (very easily) a reality.
Never heard about the "Loch Ness" fairy tail ? fossils in that area shows that the vikings weren't crazy after all.
It's not fantasy..It's just a thing that wasn't discovered yet.
