RE: What the hell is "hell"? why do humans go to hell ?
January 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm by WinterHold.)
Quote:I'd be offended but these kinds of things just don't surprise me anymore.
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Quote:Not all of them considering people do kill themselves.
The will is what matters. If your suicide has the same story of the one in adam's song (blink 182) then you didn't kill yourself for the reason above, it really varies.
Quote:Well other than when I'm on here. Which granted is very often sometimes. It really doesn't cross my mind. I occasionally hear something and think "Thats stupid" but other than that.
That subliminal voice is exactly what I'm talking about. Even if it was occasional & quiet.
Quote:Really? I didn't even think about god or gods until I had to pray in primary school. Even then I was meant to be talking to the christian one.
Christianity would repel anybody. But you just mentioned up there that you had thoughts, by saying (it's stupid) you're killing it.
Why not try to say (what if) ? what if is always a good exercise for the mind.
Quote:Okay this whole bit made no sense. Either re-write or elaborate.
lol, yeah it came up weird, let me explain.
You said the forgetting that acceptance is an idiotic thing. But it's the right thing to do, to know who is willing to believe & who isn't.
If people saw heaven, or angles, they would believe right away. That's not the goal.
The goal is to conclude it by yourself. Reaching that conclusion means that you cared.
You cared to do the right thing, you cared to know if your existence has a goal or not.
So for me, it's not like a contract & a deal. I -personally- believe, because I care to know what the truth is.
If there is a god, who created me, then I would like to thank him for what he gave me, as simple as that.
now that's what I'm talking about..
You were forced to forget that choice, in order to see what your action would be like.
(January 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(January 20, 2013 at 9:34 pm)AtlasS Wrote: The million dollar question. Yet, many religious people (if not even all) failed to justify why the creation of hell is justified in the first place.
Islam for example, states that god created everything for a reason, a righteous,100% justified reason, hence one of god's name in islam is "the just".
And I present an answer, obtained from studying the quran for some time.
One of the biggest argues of atheist against islam, is odds. The world was created by an odd action caused a big bang, then everything else, including human existence was an odd, evolution of a primary creature.
Hell, is exactly the same as atheist believe : odds.
On earth, the climate is good, humans can eat, humans have obvious superiority over other creature, all the odds are with humans to build, live & have fun.
On hell, it's the negation of that.
God gives people who didn't believe in his creation & denied, he gives them exactly what they wanted : a random place.
Climate ? well on earth, it was cool, bearable. You said it was an odd ! okay ! what are the odds, of the sun being too close ?? you'll burn right ? but wait ! you said it was an odd ?? then, try this one odd : you're created (randomly) on the sun ! yaaaay !
food ? well on earth, it was nice, tasty, gives you life & energy, but you said it was and odd ! okay, try another odd : food is burning, it's not tasty !
and so on.
if you followed the description of hell in the quran, it's the negation of earth, in every tiny detail.
from my point of view, it makes total sense.. if you denied the blessing of your parents for example, then it's better for you to leave the house, and not to cry from the cold & the life of poverty.
god just states to humans, that without him, the world would be just like hell (mostly because of the stars getting so close to the land, if it has no rotational system (hence, the earth is the one who rotates around the sun)).
Most Jewish traditions do not accept hell as a reality. However, the concept is not limited to the god/s of Abraham. I visited a museum in Japan that depicted the tyranny and oppression of Japan and in it were depictions of their concepts of a "hell" as well.
People falsely think that the concept of hell is new in human history or limited to the modern monotheistic gods.
Fear of eternal torture is not a new concept to humanity because of modern monotheism.
Prior polytheism also had it's concepts of eternal revenge. It really stems from real evolution in our human behavior of "in group" vs "out group" psychology. Humans like to think that their local club will defeat evil and win the day.
Islam states that a lot of messengers came since the dawn of time.
So the concept of hell, is wild spread in every civilization because simply, it's based on a real place.
That's why all ancient gods (despite the religion) most probably had angels, the concept of a god itself came from the ancient prophets.
While reading the quran, I found out that christianity is not a new thing. Ancient civilizations also took the message of some prophets, believed in it, changed it with time, produced a new religion based on many gods,not just one.
