Muslim Jesus: Great Prophet?

[Confused Ape]

Dark ages talk :

I think that all the talk about "dark age" europe being "not so dark" is caused by something I have already seen.

The term is used in English history to refer to the time when England was invaded by Saxons and Vikings who wanted to settle. A second meaning of Dark Ages here was the scarcity of written records so there was very little idea of what was actually going on. These days there have been many new archaeological finds and studies so historians have a much better knowledge of this historical period.

Europe took its science foundations from the arab books (i.e during the crusades), stories say that knights used to go back with hundreds of books, many of them contributed largely on the European evolution.

I find this period of history very interesting. (Giving a link and a quote here because I can't assume that everyone who finds this topic is interested in medieval history.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_con...val_Europe

Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe were numerous, affecting such varied areas as art, architecture, medicine, agriculture, music, language, and technology. From the 11th to 13th centuries, Europe absorbed knowledge from the Islamic civilization. Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic.

Not that all this learning transformed medieval Europe into a Golden Age, though. For the most part the Europeans remained 'bug eating savages' (Couldn't resist borrowing your description.)

The same tone is repeated by many arabs today, who claim that the dark ages in the arab peninsula were "full of life".

When I tracked back why they're saying that, it was mere arrogance. They just don't want to admit that their ancestors were really bug eating savages, who barry little girls because "it's a shame to have a baby girl instead of a baby boy".

I think a lot of modern historians try to take a more objective view of history. The Arabs in the Arab peninsula in those days acted like bug eating savages in a lot of respects but there were cities and trading etc. For myself, I think it's the only way to look at history. The Romans had an impressive civilisation but they were also bug eating savages in a lot of respects. For example, the Roman Games were spectacles of sickening cruelty for public amusement.

http://www.historytoday.com/keith-hopkin...cient-rome

I still hold to my view, I wasn't convinced by the other opinion . Wars & sickness increased in the dark ages, in a very strong way.

I've come to look at history as a 'human species' thing. The Dark Ages was a dreadful period but the world has never been free of dreadful goings on somewhere or other. The 20th Century was another horrific period even though we had all that knowledge and technological progress. There were two world wars plus horrific goings on around the world throughout the century. Humans are capable of great things but we can still revert to being bug eating savages and often do.

Consider me ( a guy who only takes info from the Quran as a first source ; and consider the other sources "lame & incomplete".

That's an interesting perspective. Thank you for explaining it.